Matter of Time{TNG}
 

When I should be studying,I actually watched a TNG eps on cable while waiting for TPM to show.So,to sum up,I noticed something odd about the terrawatt{I spelled this wrongly for my exam,grrrrr} statement Geordi makes.

Here the context,the Enterprise is on some planet,the planet needs some terraforming and Geordi says that by firing phasers,they will charge up the atmosphere,use the Enterprise as a lighting rod and blah blah blah.The caveat?There must be a variance of blah blah blah in the terrawatt range.

Now,to business.The Trekkie forum usually use this as an indication of phaser power,saying that there must be a terrawatt figure for there to be a terrawatt variance.However,here's a problem with the interpretation.

1.Geordi never refers to the variance as the variance in the phaser blast.Remember,he utters the variance only after Data inquires further.The only indicatioon that the variance is in the phaser blast is the way Data answered Picard qeury.The fact that Geordi was the one who "apparently" thought up the idea will be neccesary later.

2.Geordi remains on the planet because he will be better to monitor the variance.Here the problem:If the variance was actually in the phaser bolt,why the hell will it be easier to monitor the variance on the planet?Surely the Enterprise own sensors,and fire-control data and whatnot will be better equipped to do it.Especially since its coming out of her own innards.

3.Lastly is a tech problem.We are constantly told by the trekkies that Phasers is a phased weapon.Blah blah blah.Here the caveat.Lasers can also be called phased.In order to be phased,one of the thing is that the variance must actually be as little as possible.{Constant phase difference and same frequency}

Here are the figures.A KW bulb has variance in the watt level,a MW laser has variance in the micro-watt levels.
Thus,if we accept that the phaser is terrawatt,then the trekkies are either arguing that phasers are not phased weapons,or that their power levels for the phaser is actually so huge,that it follows that terrawatt is actually 1/1e9 of the true power level of the phaser so as to match the levels in a Megawatt laser.


Thus,I bring up another scenario.The variance that Geordi refers to is not the phaser blast,but the blast that hits the Enterprise in its lighting bolt capacity.As such,remaining on the planet would have been better,as it follows that he would have been better situated to monitor the electrostatic discharges that formed the bolt.It also gels with the laser variance figures.

Thus,I then argue that Data answer was a miscommunication between Geordi,who have thought up the plan and refferred it to Data for consultation.

:wtf:


Anywho, I dunno what dipshits you know, but that's no example of phaser firepower. You want "Inheritance", where they drill 80 km in 19 seconds, or TDIC, where individual phaser hits cause thousand-km atmospheric shockwaves, which on Earth, would require most of the planet's nuclear arsenal to duplicate...

Re: Matter of Time{TNG}
 

Originally posted by PainRack
When I should be studying,I actually watched a TNG eps on cable while waiting for TPM to show.So,to sum up,I noticed something odd about the terrawatt{I spelled this wrongly for my exam,grrrrr} statement Geordi makes.


you spelt it wrongly here as well - one R. I really hope you pay more attention to studying than you did to this episode.


Now,to business.The Trekkie forum usually use this as an indication of phaser power,saying that there must be a terrawatt figure for there to be a terrawatt variance.However,here's a problem with the interpretation.

1.Geordi never refers to the variance as the variance in the phaser blast.


The quote from the episode:

GEORDIE: Have you rerun the phase reversal figures, data?
DATA: There were no errors, Geordi. The variance must be no more than point zero six terawatts.

Data was analysing Geordie's theory to see if it would work and concludes yes, it would, provided the variance (currently in an unknown quantity) was within a certain limit.

A couple of seconds later Data tells Picard about the plan, blah blah lightning rod, waffle waffle "but there's bad news"

PICARD: And what about the bad news, Data?
DATA: If our phaser discharge is off by as little as point-zero-six terawatts, it would cause a cascading exothermal inversion.
PICARD: Meaning?
DATA: We would completely burn off the planet's atmosphere.

Data is directly refering to the power of the phaser discharge.



Remember,he utters the variance only after Data inquires further.


no, Data gives Geordie the variance as the result of the calculations he was asked to perform, and Data gives Picard the variance when he is explain why it is a risky thing to do.


The only indicatioon that the variance is in the phaser blast is the way Data answered Picard qeury.


By clearly linking the variance he gave to Geordie as that of the phaser discharge. His answer clearly made sense to Geordie, so if Data was talking about phaser power that must be the main reason Data was running the calcs for Geordie.


2.Geordi remains on the planet because he will be better to monitor the variance.


Incorrect.

GEORDIE: Excuse me, sir, but I can be a lot more help down here. We've got to compensate for the density variations right up to the last second.

Geordie remains on planet to account for variations in the density of the ash in the atmosphere. This is seperate to the previous variation in phaser discharge power that Data calculated.

Once we clear up this little confusion on your part most of the problems disappear, leaving only the technical aspect which basically amounts to "but that's just too high", hadly the most convincing of arguments ever presented.


Thus,I then argue that Data answer was a miscommunication between Geordi,who have thought up the plan and refferred it to Data for consultation.

So, in conclusion, Geordie explained his complete plan to Data and asked him to do a specific calculation relating to density variations (the reason Geordie stayed on the planet). Data disregarded the request and went on to calculate the phaser power variance instead. By some complete fluke the variance Data calculated for the phasers just happened to be identical in magnitude to the density variance Geordie remained on the planet to deal with.

Neither Data, the science officer on the Enteprise, nor Geordie, the chief engineer on the enterprise, once realised the units used in Data's calculations (watts) were completely incompatible with the variance Geordie was actually interested in (mass/unit area or particles/unit area).

Re: Re: Matter of Time{TNG}
 

Originally posted by Lord Edam


(CUT)

The quote from the episode:

GEORDIE: Have you rerun the phase reversal figures, data?
DATA: There were no errors, Geordi. The variance must be no more than point zero six terawatts.

Data was analysing Geordie's theory to see if it would work and concludes yes, it would, provided the variance (currently in an unknown quantity) was within a certain limit.

A couple of seconds later Data tells Picard about the plan, blah blah lightning rod, waffle waffle "but there's bad news"

PICARD: And what about the bad news, Data?
DATA: If our phaser discharge is off by as little as point-zero-six terawatts, it would cause a cascading exothermal inversion.
PICARD: Meaning?
DATA: We would completely burn off the planet's atmosphere.

Data is directly refering to the power of the phaser discharge.

(CUT)


Just to add in VGR originated information that relates to this TNG episode.

VGR 30 days ===============================================
Harry: Looks like they're heading directly beneath the industrial complex,

Janeway: "Can we reach them with phasers?"

Tuvok: "Unadvisable. It would create a hydro-dynamic shock wave.
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Re: Re: Matter of Time{TNG}
 

Originally posted by Lord Edam
[B]

you spelt it wrongly here as well - one R. I really hope you pay more attention to studying than you did to this episode.
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Nah,that typo error.Comes from having a keyboard that too sticky after way too many doughnuts.:D

As for density of ash,that explaination does sink my own.

Re: Matter of Time{TNG}
 

Just a question, has there ever been an episode saying how tightly they can control their phaser power? Because it appears as if 0.06 TW's is basicly being bassed off as a power flucuation in the beam that may be beyond their control.

Re: Re: Matter of Time{TNG}
 

Originally posted by Chris O'Farrell
Just a question, has there ever been an episode saying how tightly they can control their phaser power? Because it appears as if 0.06 TW's is basicly being bassed off as a power flucuation in the beam that may be beyond their control.
IF they want to control the beam, they have to modify the phasers for drilling OR we get the effect similar to TDiC.

Originally posted by E1701
:wtf:


Anywho, I dunno what dipshits you know, but that's no example of phaser firepower. You want "Inheritance", where they drill 80 km in 19 seconds,

Do you have a quote for this 80km number? Wasn't in the version of the episode I saw. Frowhat I recall, LaForge said they would drill "a few Km."

LaForge tells Data that he has modified the phasers to the "highest output possible." Data says that the first blast will take about 19 seconds. We don't hear how far they drilled, but Data says 2 more Km, then his "mother" says 5 more seconds. There was a slight delay before she said that. This indicates that it was 5 seconds for slightly less than 2 kilometers.

or TDIC, where individual phaser hits cause thousand-km atmospheric shockwaves, which on Earth, would require most of the planet's nuclear arsenal to duplicate...

SNICKER...

:drevil:

Re: Re: Matter of Time{TNG}
 

Originally posted by Chris O'Farrell
Just a question, has there ever been an episode saying how tightly they can control their phaser power? Because it appears as if 0.06 TW's is basicly being bassed off as a power flucuation in the beam that may be beyond their control.

Not as far as I know, but the point of the episode is that this variation is really small.

Also, lets not forget that we are talking about raw power of phasers here, so pay attention, E1701. :)

Anyway, just as an exercise in futility, we can play with the number that Pain gave for MW lasers, which would bring the raw power of phasers to 60,000,000 TW or something :p :eek: :drevil:

hehe. :D

BTW, Wayne, this blue hurts. :)

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Do you have a quote for this 80km number? Wasn't in the version of the episode I saw. Frowhat I recall, LaForge said they would drill "a few Km."

GEORDI did not say "a few Km"...

Refer to the diagram shown.

OR

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DATA: The procedure would involve usingour ship's phasers to drill down through the planet's surface and into the pockets -- where we wouldset up a series of plasma infusion units.

GEORDI: We'd trigger the units by firing a modulated energy burst down through the shafts.

Juliana addresses Data.

JULIANA: I see... injecting sufficient plasma directly into the core should trigger a chain reaction... and that will reliquify the magma...
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To achieve "injecting sufficient plasma directly into the core" the phaser must drill near the core so one can place the plasma infusion.

What E1701 stated is a conservative number or an understatement.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

LaForge tells Data that he has modified the phasers to the "highest output possible."

GEORDI did not state that at all.

The "highest output possible" would result with the effect shown during DS9 TDiC and statement made by during VGR 30 Days.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/rvalencia/TDIC57.jpg

An example of "a few KM" drilling can be also shown VGR "Once Upon a Time" done by portable phaser units.

Extract ====================================================
GEORDI: (to Data)I've configured the phasers to create the most highly focused particle beam possible.
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What you stated is a lie. You just sprouting unsupported statements.

Can you understand that simple concept ie. GEORDI did not state "highest output possible".

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Data says that the first blast will take about 19 seconds.

No problem here.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins


Do you have a quote for this 80km number? Wasn't in the version of the episode I saw. Frowhat I recall, LaForge said they would drill "a few Km."

Nope, no exact depth was given.. and he didn't say what you report here... if you are going to report dialog, at least check it first. The objective of the exercise is to drill holes through the crust of the planet in order to emplace plasma infusion devices in order to stop the solidification of the planet due to cool-down.

If you watch the opening scene, where they discuss the procedure, closely, you can see a graphic of the planet. Data and Geordi are discussing drilling through the planet to the magma layer, to within a few km of the molten core. You can watch data trace the intended operation, briefly, on the graphic, indicating a point on the planet that would be between 1/3 to 1/2 the radius of the planet. This is a tad more than a few km.... more like 2,000 to 3,000 km, since the planet is earth-type and earth-sized. There are features on the graphic that appear to be the pockets that they are talking about--and these are halfway to the center of the planet or so. It is clear that they are not in the crust, because Data notes that he has detected no increase in the stress levels of the surrounding magma. Minimum depth is therefore on the order of a thicker than normal plametray crust (due to the cooling), even if you ignore the implications of the opening scene.


LaForge tells Data that he has modified the phasers to the "highest output possible."

Better re-watch the episode, its the "most highly focused particle beam possible." Data's "mother" also notes that she will be adjusting the strength of the beam as the operation is in progress in order to minimize seismic stress, so the drill rate will vary. I have it on tape (which is where I got the details, above).

Originally posted by rvalencia

GEORDI did not say "a few Km"...

That's why I stated "as I recall". For the record, Juliana stated that the magma pockets were "a few km" from the core, which is where they drilled.

DATA: The procedure would involve usingour ship's phasers to drill down through the planet's surface and into the pockets -- where we wouldset up a series of plasma infusion units.

Actually, the CORRECTquote is:

DATA: The procedure will involve using the ship's phasers to drill down through the planet's surface into the pocket -- where we would set up a series of plasma infusion units.


GEORDI: We'd trigger the units by firing a modulated energy burst down through the shafts.

Actually, the CORRECTquote is:

GEORDI: We'd trigger the units by firing a modulated energy burst down through the shaft.

JULIANA: I see... injecting sufficient plasma directly into the core should trigger a chain reaction... and that will reliquify the magma...

Actually, the CORRECTquote is:

JULIANA: I see... injecting plasma directly into the core should trigger a chain reaction... and that will reliquify the magma...

To achieve "injecting sufficient plasma directly into the core" the phaser must drill near the core

What you stated is a lie. You just sprouting unsupported statements.

Data said they would drill into the POCKET, not "near the core".

so one can place the plasma infusion.

What you stated is a lie. You just sprouting unsupported statements.

Data said they would place plasma infusion UNITS

What E1701 stated is a conservative number or an understatement.

Hypocrite. What E7101 stated was an unsupported statement and a lie, using your invective.

GEORDI did not state that at all.

Agreed, and no one else mention drilling 80km either.

(snip post padding)

What you stated is a lie. You just sprouting unsupported statements.

Hey, just tryin' to fit in with you and E1701.

Can you understand that simple concept ie. GEORDI did not state "highest output possible".

Can you understand the simple concept of 'hypocrite'?

Originally posted by Gothmog
[B]

Nope, no exact depth was given.. and he didn't say what you report here... if you are going to report dialog, at least check it first.

I wasn't reporting exact dialogue. That's why I stated "as I recall".

The objective of the exercise

It wasn't an exercise. It was a mission to reliquefy the planet's core.

is to drill holes through the crust of the planet in order to emplace plasma infusion devices in order to stop the solidification of the planet due to cool-down.

If you watch the opening scene, where they discuss the procedure, closely, you can see a graphic of the planet. Data and Geordi are discussing drilling through the planet to the magma layer,

Actually, if you watch the opening scene closely, Data and Geordie are discussing drilling through the planet to the pockets in the magma layer.

to within a few km of the molten core. You can watch data trace the intended operation, briefly, on the graphic, indicating a point on the planet that would be between 1/3 to 1/2 the radius of the planet. This is a tad more than a few km.... more like 2,000 to 3,000 km,

And a hell of a tad less than 80km, wouldn't you agree?

since the planet is earth-type and earth-sized.

Actually, as shown in the episode, it couldn't have even been 2,000 to 3,000km, since Data could see daylight above him from the shaft the Enterprise drilled.

http://h4h.com/louis/jpgs/datahole.jpg

There are features on the graphic that appear to be the pockets that they are talking about--and these are halfway to the center of the planet or so. It is clear that they are not in the crust, because Data notes that he has detected no increase in the stress levels of the surrounding magma. Minimum depth is therefore on the order of a thicker than normal plametray crust (due to the cooling), even if you ignore the implications of the opening scene.

You'd also have to ignore the implications of the later seen, above.

[Q]Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

It wasn't an exercise. It was a mission to reliquefy the planet's core.

I suggest you learn English a bit better... exercise has multiple meanings, not just the sense you are using in an attempt to nitpick me, here. One undertakes an exercise to accomplish something, one exercises ones abilities and talents, one takes part in an exercise to hone skills and abilities, etc.

Actually, if you watch the opening scene closely, Data and Geordie are discussing drilling through the planet to the pockets in the magma layer.

And I DO believe I mention the pockets, if you are going to try and be a smartass when people showed you to be wrong, at least do it correctly.

And a hell of a tad less than 80km, wouldn't you agree?

More likely, a great deal more than 80 km, like the 2-3,000 km I mention. So no, I don't actually agree.

Actually, as shown in the episode, it couldn't have even been 2,000 to 3,000km, since Data could see daylight above him from the shaft the Enterprise drilled.

Actually, you can't tell that from the episode, this is simply what you want it to be. All other indications are of drilling to a substantial depth, within a few km of the planet's core.

You can see light, not necessarily daylight. Since the AT was there several hours later and the shot took place in daylight, it might not even have been day in that location. It would be awfully stupid to beam down into a totally dark area

You'd also have to ignore the implications of the later seen, above.

No, I go with the majority of the evidence, particularly when it tends, with the exception of your one bit, to point to particular situation I point out. If you can somehow prove that all the other dialog is wrong, and that Data's indication of where the pockets are, and the statements in regrads to where the pockets are are wrong, and that the light we see is daylight, then you might have a point. Right now, you don't.

Originally posted by Gothmog
[B]

I suggest you learn English a bit better... exercise has multiple meanings, not just the sense you are using in an attempt to nitpick me, here. One undertakes an exercise to accomplish something, one exercises ones abilities and talents, one takes part in an exercise to hone skills and abilities, etc.

And none of those definitions fit what happened in this episode. By employing that word, you are dismissing the mission as a frivilous activity. Better learn some grammar.

And I DO believe I mention the pockets,

Really? Where? Here's your original statement:

"If you watch the opening scene, where they discuss the procedure, closely, you can see a graphic of the planet. Data and Geordi are discussing drilling through the planet to the magma layer, to within a few km of the molten core. "

I don't see any mention of the pockets there, do you?

if you are going to try and be a smartass when people showed you to be wrong, at least do it correctly.

Will do. As I read more of your posts, I'm sure I'll pick up on how to correctly be a smartass.

More likely, a great deal more than 80 km, like the 2-3,000 km I mention. So no, I don't actually agree.

Probably less than 80km, based on the visual.

Actually, you can't tell that from the episode, this is simply what you want it to be.

http://h4h.com/louis/jpgs/datahole.jpg

That pretty much says it all.

All other indications are of drilling to a substantial depth, within a few km of the planet's core.

Might just be a really strange and small planet. The visual above bears this out.

You can see light, not necessarily daylight.

Nooooooo....it's the ass of a bioluminescent monkey about to take a crap on Mr. Data's head. Yeah, THAT makes more sense.

Since the AT was there several hours later and the shot took place in daylight, it might not even have been day in that location. It would be awfully stupid to beam down into a totally dark area

So Data must have crawled up 3,000km to hang a worklight when we weren't looking?

No, I go with the majority of the evidence, particularly when it tends, with the exception of your one bit, to point to particular situation I point out.

Yeah, let's throw my one bit out....that being the canon visual and go with your wild unsupported speculation.

If you can somehow prove that all the other dialog is wrong,

None of the dialogue disproves the canon visual.

and that Data's indication of where the pockets are,

We've seen how reliable computer projection have been before. Witness TDiC.

and the statements in regrads to where the pockets are are wrong,

I didn't say they were. You just have to accept the simplest explanation: that the planet was really small, and one could see daylight through the shaft the E-D dug.

and that the light we see is daylight, then you might have a point.

You have offered zero proof that it is anything else. Maybe its a neon sign, "Come to Ten-Forward and watch a soon to be out of work actress stuff her face with ice cream"

I don't know, Gothie. Will I learn to be a better smartass reading your posts, or an ass--

Whoops, almost forgot; it's G-rated here.

Re: Re: Re: Matter of Time{TNG}
 

Originally posted by Alves


Not as far as I know, but the point of the episode is that this variation is really small.

Also, lets not forget that we are talking about raw power of phasers here, so pay attention, E1701. :)

Anyway, just as an exercise in futility, we can play with the number that Pain gave for MW lasers, which would bring the raw power of phasers to 60,000,000 TW or something :p :eek: :drevil:

hehe. :D

BTW, Wayne, this blue hurts. :)

Looks really big variance to me;7

Besides,my whole thrust was actually Geordi staying behind to monitor the variance.I just couldn't understand this.If the variance was in the phaser,why did he stay on the planet?

PainRack: The variance could be a side-effect of the phaser's passing through an atmosphere...

Wayne, I used 80 km because that was AT LEAST through the crust. Gothmog is correct, it was far more than that. Accept that you lost, and move on.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Really? Where? Here's your original statement:

"If you watch the opening scene, where they discuss the procedure, closely, you can see a graphic of the planet. Data and Geordi are discussing drilling through the planet to the magma layer, to within a few km of the molten core. "



And here is the other part...

"There are features on the graphic that appear to be the POCKETS that they are talking about--and these are halfway to the center of the planet or so. It is clear that they are not in the crust, because Data notes that he has detected no increase in the stress levels of the surrounding magma. Minimum depth is therefore on the order of a thicker than normal plametray crust (due to the cooling), even if you ignore the implications of the opening scene."

Originally posted by E1701

Wayne, I used 80 km because that was AT LEAST through the crust. Gothmog is correct, it was far more than that.

Not according to the picture.

Accept that you lost, and move on.

And what did I lose? All I did was point out that your number did not appear anywhere in the episode discussed. I'm not the loser here.

Originally posted by Kamakazie Sith

And here is the other part...

Wasn't discussing "the other part". If everyone wants to be so anal about what exactly was said at what exact time, then I've just pointed out another mistake, that's all.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins
[B]

That's why I stated "as I recall". For the record, Juliana stated that the magma pockets were "a few km" from the core, which is where they drilled.

You just countered your own point. Unless that planet was the smallest on record, a few km FROM THE CORE isn't going to be a few km from the surface.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

And none of those definitions fit what happened in this episode. By employing that word, you are dismissing the mission as a frivilous activity. Better learn some grammar.

My understanding of grammar and syntax is probably far better than yours. The term exercise is used in contexts other than the one you want to interpret me as using here. More specifically, using the phrase "object of the exercise" in a context such as that is the same as saying, "the goal or objective of the effort."


I don't see any mention of the pockets there, do you?

****There are features on the graphic that appear to be the pockets that they are talking about..... ****

Try reading the post, instead of trying to come back with more smart-ass comments.

That pretty much says it all.

No, that only says there is a light source several meters above Data's head.

Might just be a really strange and small planet. The visual above bears this out.

Well since we se the E-D in orbit and the planet is the standard size, try finding another explanation.

So Data must have crawled up 3,000km to hang a worklight when we weren't looking?

No we have once emplaced several meters above his head, since even if there was a light up at the entrance, the only way it would shed illumination over that distance was if it were a high-powered laser on a visible frequency..

Yeah, let's throw my one bit out....that being the canon visual and go with your wild unsupported speculation.

Which is supported by multiple instances of the canon dialog, and another canon visual inside the briefing room (the graphic). I am throwing out less canon evidence than you are, and I can actually provide some sort of rationale for my argument, what about you?



None of the dialogue disproves the canon visual.

And the canon visual doesn't actually prove anything, other than that there is a light source above Data's head. And the specific terms used in the dialog (planetary core, magma level, a few km from the core, etc.) actually do disprove the canon visual, which, in itself, doesn't disprove the dialog.



We've seen how reliable computer projection have been before. Witness TDiC.

Yes, they over-estimated the time required, based upon limited evidence being available prior to the operation. Most likely in an attempt to be conservative and to insure that (so far as they knew) the attack could be conducted successfully.

I didn't say they were. You just have to accept the simplest explanation: that the planet was really small, and one could see daylight through the shaft the E-D dug.

Too bad canon visual evidence indicates the planet is a normal Class-M in regards to size and gravity. Like I said, try again.



You have offered zero proof that it is anything else. Maybe its a neon sign, "Come to Ten-Forward and watch a soon to be out of work actress stuff her face with ice cream"

Actaully, I have offered multiple supports to my argument, while yours simply boils down to, well, we can see light above Data's head in this one shot, so they must only be a few meters or so from the surface... and so, the planet must be really, really small (even though we have visual evidence it isn't). Basically, you don't like the implications, so you ignore everythingthing except one visual image.

I don't know, Gothie. Will I learn to be a better smartass reading your posts, or an ass--

Since you already seem to be an ass, I don't know... you just aren't a very good ass.

Say's the person who uses Blue text that is unreabable for me!

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Actually, the CORRECTquote is:

DATA: The procedure will involve using the ship's phasers to drill down through the planet's surface into the pocket -- where we would set up a series of plasma infusion units.
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It makes no difference. Notice "units" Plural.

Notice "series of plasma infusion units" your picture only shows one of them. ie. it could only show the end of the series.

What I said is an interpretation which has some grounds.

You have jump the gun and did not ask why I have concluded that way.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Actually, the CORRECTquote is:

GEORDI: We'd trigger the units by firing a modulated energy burst down through the shaft.
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It makes no difference.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Actually, the CORRECTquote is:

JULIANA: I see... injecting plasma directly into the core should trigger a chain reaction... and that will reliquify the magma...

It makes no difference

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Hypocrite. What E7101 stated was an unsupported statement and a lie, using your invective.
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Actually, it's Mr Wong’s style.

Calling someone a "Hypocrite" is subjective.

Notice "series of plasma infusion units" your picture only shows one of them. ie. it could only show the end of the series.

What I said is an interpretation which has some grounds.

You have jump the gun and did not ask why I have concluded that way.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Agreed, and no one else mention drilling 80km either.

Well, you started being a hypocrite first. Your words not mine.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Hey, just tryin' to fit in with you and E1701.

Statement not relevant.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins

Can you understand the simple concept of 'hypocrite'?

There is a concept of a word called “recalcitrant”.

Well, you started being a hypocrite first.

Originally posted by Barnabas Collins


Not according to the picture.


DATA: The procedure will involve using the ship's phasers to drill down through the planet's surface into the pocket -- where we would set up a series of plasma infusion units.

Notice "series of plasma infusion units" your picture only shows one of them. ie. it could only show the end of the series.