The Agony Booth Does "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier"

[Big Orange]

The Agony Booth has now got a long winded review article of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, a Trek movie worse than The Motion Picture (which had its moments and attempted to be different, despite being boring) and Nemesis (which merely felt tired, derivative, and by the numbers, rather than comically bad), and arguably worse than Insurrection (elitist, patronizing, and had crypto-Nazi undertones). ST V is unintentionally funny and irredeemably cheesy dreck along the lines of "Spock's Brain", "The Naked Now", or "Threshold". It had a few OK character moments with the Big Three on a camping trip, but the rest of the movie was just not there, with the cut price production values and appaling "special" effects compounding the cheesy writing and campy acting.

[Charok]

That was the only Star Trek movie that really entertained me, mostly because of Sybok. Wrath of Khan wasn't as good as people say it is and it felt like a long episode more than a movie.

Even though I've seen everything that has been made, I guess I'm not a Trek fan. Star Wars and Babylon 5 are much better.

[Big Orange]

There's been a backlash against First Contact and The Voyage Home as well.

[TK99]

Originally Posted by Big Orange

There's been a backlash against First Contact and The Voyage Home as well.

But but there be whales here?

[foamy]

Voyage Home was awesome and anyone who dislikes it is a bad person and should feel bad.

[Skyzeta]

I've never understood al tthe animosity towards the film. I mean it's not the greatest of the series, but it's more watchable in the long run the the first one. I enjoyed it when I saw it and I still enjoy it today.

[Mad Luddite]

It wasn't that bad, but the whle god thing really was funny. Especially since the "solution" pretty much involves a torpedo followed by a phaser blast.

[KingofThieves]

Yeah, Star Trek went from exploration and complexities to "I'm God" "KILL IT WITH FIRE!"

[Taranaich]

The sheer power of Kirk's ego being so strong as to question God when the dude's right in front of him is one of the highlights of the entire history of Trek, for me. "What does God need with a starship?"

I still maintain that without the various hassles plaguing the film within and without production, the underlying concept and ideas could've made it a great Trek film, combining the ideas of gods and beings in "Who Mourns for Adonais?" and dealing with crises of faith hinted at throughout the series. The humour was great old-school stuff, and the opening sequence was cool, but everything else was just a disaster. An entertaining disaster, and a film I would watch again over the likes of Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis, but still a disaster.

[ShadowSonic]

I think this actually was a better representation of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trio and their relationship than "WoK" was, mainly because there it was about Kirk dealing with getting old.

Though it would've been nice if Kirk wasn't the only one capable of resisting Sybok's powers.

[Charok]

Originally Posted by ShadowSonic

Though it would've been nice if Kirk wasn't the only one capable of resisting Sybok's powers.

Kirk may have been the only one that really wanted his pain. I think Sybok was passivly helping people face their pain, not forcing them. Every one else really wanted to deal with their pain but Kirk. McCoy may be angry all the time, but Kirk has sometimes shown true rage. Remember KKKHHHAAANNN!!!!!

You guys do realize the thing they called "God" was just an energy being that needed the protection of a starship to pass beyond the Great Rim wall so it could escape the inner part of the galaxy, right?

Those that criticize the simple solution to this movie's enemy must be forgetting the awful solutions that Star Trek usually uses with technobable that they pull out of their asses. I'd take "killing it with fire" over insulting my intelligence.

[ShadowSonic]

Technobabble never got on my nerves, I mean medical and lawyer shows are all so full of medibable and legibabble that it's a staple of entertainment now. Heck, even DS9's "The Visitor" had more of the same technobabble but that didn't detract from it.

[areoborg]

Originally Posted by Charok

Those that criticize the simple solution to this movie's enemy must be forgetting the awful solutions that Star Trek usually uses with technobable that they pull out of their asses. I'd take "killing it with fire" over insulting my intelligence.

Well, when dealing with a supposedly all-powerful god-like being, you would hope that you would need something more than just shooting it in order to kill it.

I mean... "There's an asteroid heading towards this planet. We'll reverse the polarity in our main deflector so that emmits an inverse tachyon pulse, which will destabilize the molecular structure of the asteroid and increase the efficiency of our photon torpedos so they can destroy the asteroid without endangering the planet below."

vs

"Hey look! Its God *bang!* problem solved!"

Seems kinda insulting in a way.

[AdmiralTigercla]

More like:

"What does God need with a Starship?"

'God' Smite you for questioning!

This ain't God! Not by a longshot! Fire Torpedos!

[Entilza]

I thought it was a pretty good movie. Not the best of the series, but worth rewatching once in a while.

[Big Orange]

"God" was not really God, but a sublimed-type being imprisoned on a barren planet, at the centre of the galaxy. Also how the hell did they get from the UFP to the centre of the Milky Way so quickly?