"Standard" Destroyers of World War II

Desert Fox · Nov 20th 2009, 10:02am

I am curious what classes would you suggest as the "Standard" destroyer classes of the various navies...I kind of want to do some reading

I would suggest for the US that the Fletcher class would be the standard United States World War II destroyer although classes before and afterwards were also produced in good sized numbers.

Gosu · Nov 20th 2009, 11:04am

British: O&P class war emergency. Admittedly the J/K/N class could also be the 'standard type'.
Japanese: Kagero class.

The French 'standard destroyer' is somewhat unclear, they basically built two distinct types, the very large contre-torpilleurs and the smaller types more or less equal to those of other countries.

Desert Fox · Nov 20th 2009, 8:37pm

How would you compare specific features of each class using the Fletcher as a benchmark?
These are categories which I can see
Speed
Range
Turning Ability
Surface Firepower
Anti-Air Firepower
Torpedo Battery
ASW Capabilities
Ability to Withstand Damage

MarekGutkowski · Nov 21st 2009, 5:39am

I know this is not what You are asking...
Fletcher class

Speed ok
Range Good some might say extensive
Turning Ability poor
Surface Firepower Good
Anti-Air Firepower Good
Torpedo Battery Adequate
ASW Ok
Ability to Withstand Damage?
This is a good question. Destroyers as a rule fair rather poorly in this category.
If almost 50% of Your tonnage is the Engine assembly then each hit with a 150mm(5,9'') will mass a destroyer pretty badly. Only thing that a destroyer has going for it in this category is the damage control. USN damage control is considered "World Class"

As for the Japanese destroyers every thing after Fubuki was a standardized design.
2000t 33kt 5 to 6 127mm(5'') guns and 25mm AA.
Jap ships had more TT with weak AA
Germans went with larger faster ships with bigger guns.
Nazi had more speed bigger guns bigger ships

Apocal · Nov 23rd 2009, 5:33pm

Slight nitpick, early and mid-war Fletchers carried ten torpedo tubes.

Fubukis, Kageros, Akatsukis etc all carried nine torpedo tubes throughout most of their service lives.

shermpotter · Nov 25th 2009, 6:18am

But what torpedo tubes they were! The Long Lance was bigger, more deadly, faster and longer ranged than any other torpedo in WW. Killed a lot of ships...

Apocal · Nov 25th 2009, 6:02pm

Undoubtedly. But I was responding to this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarekGutkowski

Jap ships had more TT with weak AA

TT - Torpedo tubes. I suppose I could've included the fact that many late war DDs had one of their torpedo mounts removed to make room for more AA mounts, but this thread is mostly about navies other than the USN.

Nov 20th 2009, 10:02am	#1
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Nov 20th 2009, 11:04am	#2
Gosu Insert witty text here Join Date: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 3,736	British: O&P class war emergency. Admittedly the J/K/N class could also be the 'standard type'. Japanese: Kagero class. The French 'standard destroyer' is somewhat unclear, they basically built two distinct types, the very large contre-torpilleurs and the smaller types more or less equal to those of other countries. __________________ Planning to live forever or die trying

Nov 20th 2009, 8:37pm	#3
Desert Fox Vulpes zerda Commodore Join Date: 30 Nov 2003 Location: Trapped in the buckle of the Bible Belt (Tidewater, VA, next to Regent University) Posts: 17,602	How would you compare specific features of each class using the Fletcher as a benchmark? These are categories which I can see Speed Range Turning Ability Surface Firepower Anti-Air Firepower Torpedo Battery ASW Capabilities Ability to Withstand Damage __________________ "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there." --Pat Robertson to Dover, PA

Nov 23rd 2009, 5:33pm	#5
Apocal Inexperienced IL Senator Join Date: 22 Aug 2004 Location: California Posts: 7,207	Slight nitpick, early and mid-war Fletchers carried ten torpedo tubes. Fubukis, Kageros, Akatsukis etc all carried nine torpedo tubes throughout most of their service lives. __________________ "Saying fuck is not as bad as pulling the trigger and sending hot steel through someone's chest." "Patriots make much of the dismal record of the French in matters military. Well, yes. It's hard to argue with failure. I note however that the French have Germany on their borders, a condition associated with military failure for everybody enjoying the same circumstances." -Fred Reed

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shermpotter Wanderer W/O Portfolio Join Date: 10 Mar 2009 Location: North America Posts: 77	Yeah, Apocal... But what torpedo tubes they were! The Long Lance was bigger, more deadly, faster and longer ranged than any other torpedo in WW. Killed a lot of ships... __________________ Hey, who ate all my White Castles? "The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson Political Compass Score: Economic Left/Right 0.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian 0.46 http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geurrdYM...mpass.org/test

Nov 21st 2009, 5:39am	#4
MarekGutkowski Registered Join Date: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 464	I know this is not what You are asking... Fletcher class Speed ok Range Good some might say extensive Turning Ability poor Surface Firepower Good Anti-Air Firepower Good Torpedo Battery Adequate ASW Ok Ability to Withstand Damage? This is a good question. Destroyers as a rule fair rather poorly in this category. If almost 50% of Your tonnage is the Engine assembly then each hit with a 150mm(5,9'') will mass a destroyer pretty badly. Only thing that a destroyer has going for it in this category is the damage control. USN damage control is considered "World Class" As for the Japanese destroyers every thing after Fubuki was a standardized design. 2000t 33kt 5 to 6 127mm(5'') guns and 25mm AA. Jap ships had more TT with weak AA Germans went with larger faster ships with bigger guns. Nazi had more speed bigger guns bigger ships

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