Battle of Philippine Sea - Force Add

Desert Fox · Nov 21st 2009, 9:30pm

Assume that events happened close to real life but somehow the four Japanese carriers sunk at Midway survived the battle. These four carriers are added to the Japanese forces at the Battle of Philippine Sea. The pilots are also the well trained pilots of the first Pacific battles.

Is this enough to tip the battle in the Japanese favor or will the improved aircraft, radar, and other factors still lead to an American Victory?

Edit: Assume that the Japanese have enough fuel to support the force and all the aircraft.

MarekGutkowski · Nov 22nd 2009, 2:29am

I am posting from memory, so some things maybe wrong.
I don't know are You saying all jap pilots are good or just Akagi,Kaga,Soryu, Hiryu ones.

USN had 8 CV 8 CVL and 7CVE
IJN has 7 CV 2CVL 3 CVE and two Hiyo class basically big CVE's
Japans naval aviators launched 100+ planes in OTL with for more decks they will have additional 80 planes giving them 180+ attack sortie.
US have almost 300 fighters on CAP in the air.

Marian turkey shoot is still a go. With more losses for the Hellcats but still.

Japan still loses. The planes will hit some use carriers but I dont think they will sink any.
Maybe one Priceton Class CVL at best(or worst depending who You are) get sunk.

Nov 21st 2009, 9:30pm	#1
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Nov 22nd 2009, 2:29am	#2
MarekGutkowski Registered Join Date: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 464	I am posting from memory, so some things maybe wrong. I don't know are You saying all jap pilots are good or just Akagi,Kaga,Soryu, Hiryu ones. USN had 8 CV 8 CVL and 7CVE IJN has 7 CV 2CVL 3 CVE and two Hiyo class basically big CVE's Japans naval aviators launched 100+ planes in OTL with for more decks they will have additional 80 planes giving them 180+ attack sortie. US have almost 300 fighters on CAP in the air. Marian turkey shoot is still a go. With more losses for the Hellcats but still. Japan still loses. The planes will hit some use carriers but I dont think they will sink any. Maybe one Priceton Class CVL at best(or worst depending who You are) get sunk.

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