Russians becoming more active.

primer · Nov 26th 2009, 8:17am

Today 2 Tu-95's were intercepted by first Danish, then Dutch F-16's and after that by the RAF. This wasn't the first time this year, what's up with the Russians picking up on this Cold War habit again?

dylanredefined · Nov 26th 2009, 8:30am

Or some general retiring and getting one last flight

.Seriously the Tu95 is
a cold war relic .

IRS · Nov 26th 2009, 8:32am

Sticking their stick into NATO. Did the same stunt near Canadian polar region.

I think its a test of political will or to check out what type of response they get for ECM purposes.

TheMarine · Nov 26th 2009, 8:37am

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Originally Posted by dylanredefined

Seriously the Tu95 is a cold war relic .

So is the B-52 yet it's still fucked up alot of shit the last 2 decades and is suppost to do so for something in the order of another 40 years.

Lokar · Nov 26th 2009, 8:51am

Obviously those Dutch/Dannish/British war mongers were violating Russian airspace.

macgalin · Nov 26th 2009, 9:04am

Nothing new. Few months ago, russians sent their AWACS to mess with baltic states, Germans (who were tasked with air policing at that time) scrambled pair of Eurofighters to intercept... Russkies send pair of flanker escorts to chase the Jerries away, both sides played some cat-and-mouse for a while, untill finally Finns got annoyed by this shit going around near their airspace, and sent their F-18s that finally caused russians to bugger the hell off.

Fun stuff, like reading a cold war story

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Also, on fun but unrelated note, their latest hugeass military excercises had scenario of defending belarus from polish minority uprising, then repelling polish invasion

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dylanredefined · Nov 26th 2009, 9:33am

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Originally Posted by TheMarine

So is the B-52 yet it's still fucked up alot of shit the last 2 decades and is suppost to do so for something in the order of another 40 years.

If your going to test the reaction time of your neighbours.I think choosing
an air frame from the 50s dosen't really do anything than generate a warm
fuzzy feeling of nostalgia for a war which they lost

Damar · Nov 26th 2009, 9:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by primer

Today 2 Tu-95's were intercepted by first Danish, then Dutch F-16's and after that by the RAF. This wasn't the first time this year, what's up with the Russians picking up on this Cold War habit again?

Wait, how far were they into NATO airspace to be intercepted by the Dutch and British?

dylanredefined · Nov 26th 2009, 9:40am

They ponce around the north sea triggering various air defence networks.
Guess it gives Euro fighter something to do .

TheMarine · Nov 26th 2009, 9:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dylanredefined

If your going to test the reaction time of your neighbours.I think choosing
an air frame from the 50s dosen't really do anything than generate a warm
fuzzy feeling of nostalgia for a war which they lost

True but then again I doubt they would use a newer aircraft in case they went down due to the cost to replace them. The Tu95 is a nice aircraft to use to test reaction times and ECM/radar effectivness. Why provoke more then you need to? They just want to recreate the probing they did during the cold war after all and I think both sides know this.

Also a good reminder that they can still launch heavy bombers well into NATO airspace with or without escort. A good point to make when pushing eastern europe into doing what they want.

dylanredefined · Nov 26th 2009, 9:55am

Its not a heavy bomber its a recce aircraft it couldn't bomb anyone who had any sort of air defence .
Russia needs to sell its oil and gas to Europe just as much as we need to buy it.Playing wargames I am sure pleases everyone involved.
But its basically reinacting the cold war at the tax payers expense.

primer · Nov 26th 2009, 9:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damar

Wait, how far were they into NATO airspace to be intercepted by the Dutch and British?

Somewhere over the North Sea skimming Danish, Dutch and British airspace I guess. They never enter the airspace, that would be a violation of our sovereignty.

TheMarine · Nov 26th 2009, 10:32am

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Originally Posted by dylanredefined

Its not a heavy bomber its a recce aircraft it couldn't bomb anyone who had any sort of air defence .
Russia needs to sell its oil and gas to Europe just as much as we need to buy it.Playing wargames I am sure pleases everyone involved.
But its basically reinacting the cold war at the tax payers expense.

Still makes the same statement considering the size of the Tu95. As for the oil yes, russia needs them to buy it but this still makes the point of "play it my way instead of the US way".

As for your last comment... it's RUSSIA they went bankrupt doing this crap and trying to keep up with weapons tech the first time around. Of course they will dick wave with no real point aside from politics being involved.

Although I get the feeling we are sorta arguing the same points but I am misunderstanding your statements due to english not being your first launguage.

Bishop Gantry · Nov 26th 2009, 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by primer

Today 2 Tu-95's were intercepted by first Danish, then Dutch F-16's and after that by the RAF. This wasn't the first time this year, what's up with the Russians picking up on this Cold War habit again?

I could see the Dutch popping their canopies and drive by the TU95 with paintballs...

**CommanderRazor** · Nov 26th 2009, 11:57am

Sounds like the Russians just fucking with people like they've been doing for decades. Playing cat and mouse games with subs, poking into NATO airspaces...this kind of shit is nothing new. It's probably what they consider to be 'realistic training', i.e. the leadership just want to fuck with us to see how much we flinch.

**IXJac** · Nov 26th 2009, 12:33pm

They started doing that some time ago actually. Back in 2006 was when they really started ramping back up, after the post-Cold War doldrums. Part of it is the bomber forces angling for a bigger slice of the procurement pie by strutting their stuff for Moscow, part of it is just the usual Russian nationalist bravado, but a great deal was a general feeling that NATO was taking advantage of Russian weakness, and a sense that they'd become too vulnerable against the West.

There was a paper that was released around then by a couple of US foreign policy wags that stated NATO could now first strike Russia with little chance of retaliation. It made no waves here (although it was noted by some on SB) but it Russia it caused an uproar. Shortly after the Russians conducted several aggressive bomber penetrations that took NORAD rather off guard. It was a high profile way of demonstrating to us, but more importantly their own people, that they still had some bite.

Leo1 · Nov 26th 2009, 2:51pm

Quote:

If your going to test the reaction time of your neighbours.I think choosing
an air frame from the 50s dosen't really do anything than generate a warm
fuzzy feeling of nostalgia for a war which they lost

The airframe may be from the 1950s, but the Tu-95MS was built new in the 1980s.

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Its not a heavy bomber its a recce aircraft it couldn't bomb anyone who had any sort of air defence

No, it's a cruise missile carrier, capable of launching Kh-55 ALCMs (6 or 16), Kh-555 CALCMs (6 or 16), Kh-101 ACMskis, or Kh-102s (8).

**Chris O'Farrell** · Nov 26th 2009, 3:00pm

Its also a great endurance ELINT bird, capable of staying up without refueling for an extreme length of time, with enough antennas to detect the queen changing TV channels from the Scottish air defense identification zone...

Vladimir Rustov · Nov 26th 2009, 3:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dylanredefined

They ponce around the north sea triggering various air defence networks.
Guess it gives Euro fighter something to do .

Which of cource only one of the three countries do.

SuperS4 · Nov 26th 2009, 7:46pm

Yeah, they've been doing this for awhile. IIRC, a couple weeks ago, a pair of Raptors intercepted some Russian Bears doing the same thing. And as was pointed out, they started this up again a few years back to flex some muscle to show everyone they're still there.

neoapostle · Nov 26th 2009, 8:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris O'Farrell

Its also a great endurance ELINT bird, capable of staying up without refueling for an extreme length of time, with enough antennas to detect the queen changing TV channels from the Scottish air defense identification zone...

I'm going to hope this is an exagerasion cause if its not

Leo1 · Nov 26th 2009, 9:06pm

It isn't just BEAR-H bombers doing it, of course. Tu-160s have gone up as well. I think it's a bit of a thrill for NATO pilots to go up and get a look at the BLACKJACKs, awesome-sauce machines that they are.

dylanredefined · Nov 27th 2009, 2:29am

I suppose we could send some hi tech inflitrator into their air space like a cessna 150

.

**Chris O'Farrell** · Nov 27th 2009, 2:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo1

It isn't just BEAR-H bombers doing it, of course. Tu-160s have gone up as well. I think it's a bit of a thrill for NATO pilots to go up and get a look at the BLACKJACKs, awesome-sauce machines that they are.

Yes, but given how few 160s Russia has, the odds are excellent it'll just be a Bear

Not that the 95 doesn't look cool, I had that high-res image of the Raptors intercepting that Bear as my wallpaper for some time.

Torr Samaho · Nov 27th 2009, 3:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IXJac

There was a paper that was released around then by a couple of US foreign policy wags that stated NATO could now first strike Russia with little chance of retaliation. It made no waves here (although it was noted by some on SB) but it Russia it caused an uproar. Shortly after the Russians conducted several aggressive bomber penetrations that took NORAD rather off guard. It was a high profile way of demonstrating to us, but more importantly their own people, that they still had some bite.

is it a conincidence that there's this thread in the forum right now? yes, NATO is doing something different than has been agreed on in 1990 and russia got shafted, so it's no wonder they're trying to get back a bit to where they once were.

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Nov 26th 2009, 8:30am	#2
dylanredefined Registered Join Date: 4 Jul 2009 Location: portsmouth uk Posts: 2,649	Or some general retiring and getting one last flight.Seriously the Tu95 is a cold war relic .

Nov 26th 2009, 8:32am	#3
IRS Registered Join Date: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Brossard, Canada Posts: 4,726	Sticking their stick into NATO. Did the same stunt near Canadian polar region. I think its a test of political will or to check out what type of response they get for ECM purposes. __________________ Canadian Conservative http://americansforprosperity.org/obamachart.php

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macgalin Chaotic Evil Join Date: 24 Mar 2006 Location: Poland. Posts: 2,341	Nothing new. Few months ago, russians sent their AWACS to mess with baltic states, Germans (who were tasked with air policing at that time) scrambled pair of Eurofighters to intercept... Russkies send pair of flanker escorts to chase the Jerries away, both sides played some cat-and-mouse for a while, untill finally Finns got annoyed by this shit going around near their airspace, and sent their F-18s that finally caused russians to bugger the hell off. Fun stuff, like reading a cold war story . Also, on fun but unrelated note, their latest hugeass military excercises had scenario of defending belarus from polish minority uprising, then repelling polish invasion . __________________ Cannibals prefer those who have no spines. - Stanislaw Lem Anyone who doesn't like Chaos Gate is obviously a twisted twisted man and has no taste in games. - MJ12 Commando Last edited by macgalin; Nov 26th 2009 at 9:10am.

Nov 26th 2009, 9:40am	#9
dylanredefined Registered Join Date: 4 Jul 2009 Location: portsmouth uk Posts: 2,649	They ponce around the north sea triggering various air defence networks. Guess it gives Euro fighter something to do .

Nov 26th 2009, 9:55am	#11
dylanredefined Registered Join Date: 4 Jul 2009 Location: portsmouth uk Posts: 2,649	Its not a heavy bomber its a recce aircraft it couldn't bomb anyone who had any sort of air defence . Russia needs to sell its oil and gas to Europe just as much as we need to buy it.Playing wargames I am sure pleases everyone involved. But its basically reinacting the cold war at the tax payers expense.

Nov 26th 2009, 11:57am	#15
CommanderRazor Fear Me But Follow! Moderati Join Date: 9 Jun 2000 Location: Florida, Central Gulf Coast Command Region Posts: 11,084	Sounds like the Russians just fucking with people like they've been doing for decades. Playing cat and mouse games with subs, poking into NATO airspaces...this kind of shit is nothing new. It's probably what they consider to be 'realistic training', i.e. the leadership just want to fuck with us to see how much we flinch. __________________ One crewman, many vehicles, more weapons, any time. Veni Vidi Impetro Pulsus Sursum…Bis (To Come. To see. To get blown up...Twice.) "You're asking RAZOR what the gear he's packing is FOR? Obviously he knows what he's doing, or he wouldn't pack it." - AdmiralTigercla

Nov 26th 2009, 12:33pm	#16
IXJac Moderator Moderati Join Date: 26 Dec 1999 Posts: 19,985	They started doing that some time ago actually. Back in 2006 was when they really started ramping back up, after the post-Cold War doldrums. Part of it is the bomber forces angling for a bigger slice of the procurement pie by strutting their stuff for Moscow, part of it is just the usual Russian nationalist bravado, but a great deal was a general feeling that NATO was taking advantage of Russian weakness, and a sense that they'd become too vulnerable against the West. There was a paper that was released around then by a couple of US foreign policy wags that stated NATO could now first strike Russia with little chance of retaliation. It made no waves here (although it was noted by some on SB) but it Russia it caused an uproar. Shortly after the Russians conducted several aggressive bomber penetrations that took NORAD rather off guard. It was a high profile way of demonstrating to us, but more importantly their own people, that they still had some bite. __________________ An Outside Context Problem is the sort of thing most civilizations encounter just once, and which they tend to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encounters a full stop. -"Excession," definition of an OCP "Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine." -Bombadecasa, YouTube video comment

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SuperS4 Registered Otaku Join Date: 14 Feb 2006 Location: Mt Hope, ON, Canada Posts: 8,771	Yeah, they've been doing this for awhile. IIRC, a couple weeks ago, a pair of Raptors intercepted some Russian Bears doing the same thing. And as was pointed out, they started this up again a few years back to flex some muscle to show everyone they're still there. __________________ My Latest AMV on "The ORG": "Keep Holding On" - Laputa: Castle in the Sky "Megatron looks like the unholy spawn of the original and the fucking Shrike" - Havock commenting on Megatron's movie design.

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Leo1 Registered Join Date: 9 Sep 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 11,987	It isn't just BEAR-H bombers doing it, of course. Tu-160s have gone up as well. I think it's a bit of a thrill for NATO pilots to go up and get a look at the BLACKJACKs, awesome-sauce machines that they are. __________________ If you, the citizen, deliberately vote for someone who won't give you health care over someone who will, you need to have your head examined. Except you can't afford to have your head examined. - B. Maher.

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dylanredefined Registered Join Date: 4 Jul 2009 Location: portsmouth uk Posts: 2,649	I suppose we could send some hi tech inflitrator into their air space like a cessna 150 .

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