Yuki Nagato vs Yukari Yakumo (Touhou)

[A Jurai Knight]

Several ROB's engaging in a heated debate of magical vs technological reality manipulation combat have decided to test the theroy of which could win out if they were to engage the other in combat. The ROB's have pulled the candidates for their debate Yuki Nagato and Yukari Yakumo out of their respective universes where they arrive to the ROBs trans-dimensional arena where the must fight it out to the usual death of the other.

Magic or technology user. Which will prevail in this fight?


EDIT: God I hate these slow work computers.

[marvelous stan]

...Yukari does all her fighting with danmaku and, just like everyone else in Touhou, has never been seen actually seriously using her powers in combat.

[CnB]

I think Yuki takes it. She doesn't eat people for one thing.

[Brellin]

Yuki, aside from being a badass bookworm, can hijack Haruhi's powers, thus Yuki > everything that isn't omnipotent. Also, to be fair Yuki isn't really "Yuki", the Integrated Data Thought Entity is Yuki.

[marvelous stan]

...just to be contrary: Yukari, being a barrier expert, blocks Yuki's connection with the Integrated Thought Data Entity and takes an easy win.

[CnB]

Originally Posted by marvelous stan

...just to be contrary: Yukari, being a barrier expert, blocks Yuki's connection with the Integrated Thought Data Entity and takes an easy win.

I thought data manipulation was an independent ability? After all, she has rules she has to follow, rules that can be violated by independent action.

[marvelous stan]

IIRC in the snow mountain story her connection is completely shut down by the Canopy Domain and she goes into a coma pretty quickly.

[soloista]

Yukari traps Yuki inside a storybook and destroys said book.

You know something is up when they canonically show Yukari breaking the boundaries of concepts.

In Silent Sinner in Blue, the reason why Yukari even tried to look weak was because she was orchestrating a massive trolling stunt. It's like that sketch in Robot Chicken when some guy annihilates porn from the net and Bush goes, "Give us back our porn man, it ain't funny".

[marvelous stan]

Meh. I think people overestimate her due to the overenthusiastic interpretations found in the fanon. She needed the Hakurei's help to make the Great Hakurei Barrier, she is inferior in power to proper gods like the Judges and Dragons, and she lost the First Lunar War.

Since, like I noted, she mostly uses danmaku in the actual games, she has very few known feats so it's hard to get any kind of sense of where her limits are.

[soloista]

Originally Posted by marvelous stan

Meh. I think people overestimate her due to the overenthusiastic interpretations found in the fanon. She needed the Hakurei's help to make the Great Hakurei Barrier, she is inferior in power to proper gods like the Judges and Dragons, and she lost the First Lunar War.

Since, like I noted, she mostly uses danmaku in the actual games, she has very few known feats so it's hard to get any kind of sense of where her limits are.

Unless you want to pull in from fanon and selectively validate them.

[Hollewanderer]

Originally Posted by marvelous stan

...Yukari does all her fighting with danmaku and, just like everyone else in Touhou, has never been seen actually seriously using her powers in combat.

This is basically correct. Touhou is full of people who basically have "I win" buttons that would allow them to slaughter their opposition with ease if any of them actually cared. Except that they don't, because everybody would much rather spend their time having teaparties rather than trying to murder each other for ill-defined reasons.

Yukari is especially troublesome, because her power is just so horribly vague. We know that she has limits - Shikieiki was stated to be able to effectively pulverise her, for example - but we have no clue what those limits are.

Technically speaking, we know that Yukari can manipulate the border between life and death, so she could simply kill Yuki just like that. Probably. Perhaps. It's quite possible, really. It's about as good as it's going to get.

Originally Posted by marvelous stan

Meh. I think people overestimate her due to the overenthusiastic interpretations found in the fanon.

While that is true, Yukari manipulating boundaries between stories and reality is one of the stated applications of her power in canon, so soloista has a point here.

and she lost the First Lunar War.

To be fair, canon doesn't seem to supply a consistent tech level for Lunarians. We have seen, what, Planck bombs, femtotech, dual-wieldable vulcan cannons and conventional rifles with bayonets supposedly coexisting so far? And then you have their magic on top of that.

That, and we don't actually know any specifics of that scenario - or, indeed, why Yukari did it. Isn't it theorised that she lost on purpose?

Originally Posted by CnB

I think Yuki takes it. She doesn't eat people for one thing.

Yukari is noted for generally not attacking people, actually. Not all youkai have to eat humans, you know. [though you could call Yukari an enabler, I suppose]

[soloista]

Originally Posted by Hollewanderer

To be fair, canon doesn't seem to supply a consistent tech level for Lunarians. We have seen, what, Planck bombs, femtotech, dual-wieldable vulcan cannons and conventional rifles with bayonets supposedly coexisting so far? And then you have their magic on top of that.

I theorize that the Moon basically has very advanced magitech with an anachronistic appearance, or not-quite (if you think the Moon Rabbits' rifles are training rifles). I've seen some military cadets do formation drills with those sorts of rifles, after all.

After all, what's the closest equivalent to Eirin's quantum seal babbling?

As I was writing it, I became afraid that somebody might read it or alter it before it was received, so I affixed a quantum seal. A quantum seal is a special type of seal that uses the state of the subatomic particles inside the letter to keep track of how many people have read it. This device was an invention of mine, and since I'm still the only person who can properly make one, it also served as proof that I wrote the letter. I set two or three other devices to it as well, and finally sealed it with medicinal herbs.

And we see Eirin writing with a brush and inkstone in Scarlet Weather Rhapsody.

[sky173t]

Originally Posted by Hollewanderer

Technically speaking, we know that Yukari can manipulate the border between life and death, so she could simply kill Yuki just like that. Probably. Perhaps. It's quite possible, really. It's about as good as it's going to get.

Except Yuki isn't living in the first place, or at least her only living part is the body Asakura killed once and she was fine after that. It seems both sides have ill-defined power levels, although I think Yuki would hijack her powers like with Haruhi.

Also why are the google ads displaying advertisements for national security and terrorist protection?

[marvelous stan]

Extending the Haruhi powerjack to characters who are actually aware of their own powers and can defend against it is stretching things.

[Q99]

Originally Posted by Brellin

Yuki, aside from being a badass bookworm, can hijack Haruhi's powers, thus Yuki > everything that isn't omnipotent. Also, to be fair Yuki isn't really "Yuki", the Integrated Data Thought Entity is Yuki.

That's only if Haruhi is around. And an interface isn't the same as the whole DTE, their abilities vary.