Culture Encounters ST

[Hypochondriac]

How would the Culture treat most of Alpha Quadrant races? What would they think of the Federation?

What would the Minds think of the Borg?

If a Culture Orbital found itself in the ST universe how would it react what would the consequences be?

[Hiver]

Most likely it would point and laught before starting to change stuff.

[Hypochondriac]

Originally Posted by Hiver

Most likely it would point and laught before starting to change stuff.

I kind of figured that too. Mind elaborating on what they would change and how. Also who would they laugh most at?

[PsyckoSama]

They're probably smile at the Federation and go "Oh isn't it cute? They're trying so hard. Lets give them a little hand, and when they grow up we can be the best of friends!"

[dylanredefined]

Their view of the federation would be "I can see what you're trying to do there
can we help"
The Vulcans they would laugh at prutianical and obsessional about logic and denying emotions . Minds would be like "your humanoids non logical thought and
emotions are your strengths " Culture citizens would probably start a fashion for dressing like vulcans while having orgies .They would find romulans even funnier
Klingons they would probably be fascinated with fun to go drinking with but basically mad.
The Borg they would be interested then they would get very angry and disassemble the collective.

[rogrd]

Such completely different attitudes.

Federation is all about being comfortable in your own skin, the Culture is the opposite. Want to go be a sentient bush next week - great!

Very few people are basic human anymore its quite scary and interesting at the same time

[dylanredefined]

They both think they are the good guys though .The federation tries not to intervene as its mucked up in the pass but still does sort of.The culture intervenes as it knows it can.The federation would welcome the culture and then be horrified by the implications.

[rogrd]

I think they'd be wary of the culture, but the thing is there's not a whole lot they can do about it.

Until maybe late 25th-26th Century they just don't have the technology to take the culture on.

Long-term implications are that the Federation will either come around Culture way of thinking, interfering to stop races destroying themselves or outright war.

I'm not sure which

[Alex12]

Originally Posted by PsyckoSama

They're probably smile at the Federation and go "Oh isn't it cute? They're trying so hard. Lets give them a little hand, and when they grow up we can be the best of friends!"

Something like this. Followed by "Wait, they have time travel?!"

[Lord Squishy]

Just wait until the Culture decides to come back in 250 years (given that's not terribly long in Culture-time) and the Federation are fighting temporal wars across the universe.

[Hiver]

Originally Posted by Lord Squishy

Just wait until the Culture decides to come back in 250 years (given that's not terribly long in Culture-time) and the Federation are fighting temporal wars across the universe.

...now thats a WTF is going on OCP.

[1812]

I wonder what the Culture and the Q would make of one another?

[dylanredefined]

Q would hate them compared to picard its no fun trying to wind people up
who laugh and ask for more .

[DigiCom]

Orgies

[Ralson]

Originally Posted by rogrd

Federation is all about being comfortable in your own skin, the Culture is the opposite. Want to go be a sentient bush next week - great!

Eh? That's quite a dramatic statement to make just because the Federation doesn't use genetic engineering, having had bad experiences with it.

[Atlan]

Originally Posted by Lord Squishy

Just wait until the Culture decides to come back in 250 years (given that's not terribly long in Culture-time) and the Federation are fighting temporal wars across the universe.

They'd go WTF?!

And then copy timetravel. And show the Fed how intervening is really done.

[rogrd]

I think by the time the Federation are fighting temporal wars across the universe they've passed well beyond anything the Culture can chuck about.

Ent -J is faster than anything the Culture have, by a long, long way.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Enterprise_J

It's travelling to other galaxies and beyond transwarp - 2 centuries since Picard's time! Whether their firepower is would be pure conjecture so I'm not geven going speculate on that one!

But it is said quite often in Matter that there are very few human basics in the Culture - certainly implying the opposite of the Federation which are clearly not into that kind of thing.

Even 29th Century Braxton aged, if they've gone trans or even post human by that point ageing would be long gone.

[Hiver]

Originally Posted by rogrd

I think by the time the Federation are fighting temporal wars across the universe they've passed well beyond anything the Culture can chuck about.

Ent -J is faster than anything the Culture have, by a long, long way.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Enterprise_J

It's travelling to other galaxies and beyond transwarp - 2 centuries since Picard's time! Whether their firepower is would be pure conjecture so I'm not geven going speculate on that one!

But it is said quite often in Matter that there are very few human basics in the Culture - certainly implying the opposite of the Federation which are clearly not into that kind of thing.

Even 29th Century Braxton aged, if they've gone trans or even post human by that point ageing would be long gone.

Diffrent universes...diffrent rules.

[Lord Squishy]

Tiemships from the 29th century could cross the galaxy almost instantaneously.

[Jupiter]

Originally Posted by Lord Squishy

Tiemships from the 29th century could cross the galaxy almost instantaneously.

May be but it'd take a mind the better part of 2 mins to study build and make a better drive and have it installed on his ship and be doing the same thing

[rogrd]

Trouble would be getting one which is not as easy as it sounds

[Jupiter]

Originally Posted by rogrd

Trouble would be getting one which is not as easy as it sounds

They don't have to get one they can scan it or just read peoples mind for everything about it.

But if they want to be direct they can just effector a crew to had their ship over to them

[Atlan]

Originally Posted by rogrd

I think by the time the Federation are fighting temporal wars across the universe they've passed well beyond anything the Culture can chuck about.

Ent -J is faster than anything the Culture have, by a long, long way.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Enterprise_J

It's travelling to other galaxies and beyond transwarp - 2 centuries since Picard's time! Whether their firepower is would be pure conjecture so I'm not geven going speculate on that one!

But it is said quite often in Matter that there are very few human basics in the Culture - certainly implying the opposite of the Federation which are clearly not into that kind of thing.

Even 29th Century Braxton aged, if they've gone trans or even post human by that point ageing would be long gone.

The future Federation has the edge in time travel and speed. That is ALL we know, and considering that the Culture is not known for it's high ship speeds (relatively) anyway, the latter is hardly surprising.
The only dealbreaker here is time travel. Nothing we have seen from the future fed. implies the kind of technological sophistication that is anywhere near that of the Culture. It's simply that in Trek timetravel CAN work, while for the Cultureverse it can't. If the two meet it's assumed that this has been some kind of technological blind spot for the faction that was not able to do so, and they can now start learning the basics, becuase it very obviously IS possible. And the Culture learns very VERY fast.

As for "Human Basics", you're thinking in the wrong terms. Culture Humans (and drones) are supremely unimportant in these debates. They have a say in how the Culture is ran, but the heavy lifting is done by Minds. And the Federation has NOTHING like them.

[Major Diarrhia]

Originally Posted by Ralson

Eh? That's quite a dramatic statement to make just because the Federation doesn't use genetic engineering, having had bad experiences with it.

It's true though, they're extremely humble about their appearances. Picard let himself go bald even though they should have the technology to prevent it, and it can't be because he doesn't care about taking care of himself either. That would be completely incompatible with his personality and the facts that he cuts his hair and shaves.

Then there are the really old people in Trek, they do nothing about grey hair, and wrinkles. I imagine if a woman were going bald in Trek, she would shave off any remaining wisps and be done with it. No wig or anything.

As for changing bodies on a whim, if they could they might, but I imagine them always returning to human form.

[rogrd]

I agree Ataln about the time travel, but I would suggest we leave that aside otherwise....it could quickly degenerate about Fed time police do that, Culture does this - yada, yada.

We can however make suppositions about future Federation tech....
Voyager (grrr!) managed to survive a supernova, manipulate subspace etc)
Organic tech would likely be available from Species 8472 (Trionions from Memory Gamma)
Borg nanotech
Perfection of Genesis
Vorgons Tox Utat stopping stellar fusion - 27th century

Able to bend space in 26th Century, only improved in later centuries. All these can be bastardised.

Just as the Culture has its own advantages, able to manufacture and create structures way beyond even 31st Century Federation (excluding genesis), I've not read of any bettles yet but I'm sure its weapons of war must be particular awesome considering Djan's modifications that were removed for her return to the Shellworld.