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Old Nov 27th 2009, 3:22pm   #1
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Me, Myself and Kosh

This fan fic owes its creation to a thread on the general space battles forums. If the thread is still present here is the link: http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=157431

I will quote the proposal as well as the thread may no longer exist:
“ROB is at it again. He has given you the choice of any movie/book/game/comic/cartoon/anime and, once you have made the choice, he transports your mind into the body of the protagonist at the start of the story. What do you do?

Edit: You get the powers and knowledge of the character whose body you inhabit and you keep any RL knowledge you have of the plot.” Deepthroat

Instead of a genre protagonist it will be a character devised by me which essentially will be me in the assigned role. Therefore showing what I would like to do but as myself albeit changed slightly in such a setting. I have also adopted a moniker from another fictional setting.

For my own particular fantasy I am going to assume Ancient technology from Stargate is superior or at least on par with First Ones technology from Babylon 5. Also I humbly ask you forgive any mistakes or liberties taken, I have attempted to research as much as I can about the related subject material but my knowledge is by no means encyclopaedic and of course a lot of it is open to interpretation and is a matter of perspective unless firmly stated by the creators or within the franchises themselves.Also its my very first attempt at a fan fic so be gentle

The setting is in the Babylon 5 universe and I arrive on Earth just slightly before the Earth/Minbari war with the entire repository of the ancients in my possession alongside the capability to both access and find any information contained within. And of course my own personal knowledge of the Babylon 5 universe and the events about to take place.

Disclaimer: Stargate SG-1 and all associated material is the intellectual property of Stargate (II) Productions, SCI FI Channel, Showtime/Viacom, MGM/UA, Double Secret Productions, and Gekko Productions
Babylon 5 and all associated material is the intellectual property of J. Michael Straczynski
Ciaphas Cain is the intellectual property of © Games Workshop Limited 2005. All rights reserved

Me, Myself and Kosh
I arrived on February 2nd 2244 ironically the day that marked my birth. Just 1 year before the Earth-Minbari War. In this brave new world I would set out upon a grand endeavour, I took upon myself a moniker. I would be known as Ciaphas Cain. A hero from a different time and place, A time and place which had no bearing on the events about to take place here, now, In this reality.

At 5ft, 6 inches I was by no means what one would consider impressive on the contrary as a male of my species I would be considered short. Brown hair, blue eyes and broad of shoulder, hailing from the north from a county called Tyrone I could only be considered a rather ordinary looking man in regards to my native land of Ireland. None of these trivial details mattered here in this reality for I possessed gifts which would be of great aid in my goals. Goals which I intended to approach with the zeal of a megalomaniac. History could write of me as it would.

My goals where indeed vastly ambitious and I was going to have to become many, many things. Even gifted with Pre-ascended abilities, I was still basically me. Like everyone I have my strengths and weaknesses. My strengths now being augmented with Pre-ascended abilities consisted of enhanced strength and reflexes, increased intellect, and increased self healing.

All this didn’t change the fact that I was no great Orator, I wasn’t politician material. Nor was I a grand master strategist, tactician or even a warrior. No I quickly conceded that I needed help. Naturally I knew this fact; I needed a large industry base and many things in order to achieve my goals. This help though I conceded I would require was more personal it would require companions, people who I would have to admit to my inner circle. People with the skills sets I needed and who I would undoubtedly have to trust with some of my secrets.

This did not sit well with me as one of my weaknesses ironically similar to my namesake was slight paranoia and an untrusting nature. Nevertheless I had the ancient’s repository in my possession alongside the capability to fully access any information on it, Knowledge and technology I was willing to wager was on par with First Ones technology, here in this reality. But most valuable of all I had hindsight almost as if prescience was another of my abilities. I knew exactly how most events here would pan out; I knew the key movers and the people not to be trusted. All of this greatly contributed to my notions of self-preservation greatly enhancing my comfort after all I was in a very dangerous and harsh reality. This sure as hell was no gene Roddenberry vision of an optimistic future based on co-operation and universal respect for life. (Well, mostly)

Earth: Geneva, Switzerland
How fortunate for me that I landed, appeared? Hmm I cannot be sure how I arrived if I was honest. What I did know was I needed to establish myself in the Earth Alliance, I had no currency, No identity here or an abode. I had to tread carefully because I was dressed in 20th century earth clothing with a strange device on my wrist in stark contrast to my clothing. The strange device was a technological marvel in itself, not developed for many years until the Tau’ri where at the height of their power. Luckily it also featured a special security feature not unlike the ancients ATA gene security but rather a Tau’ri derived version. This meant only I could use it due to my unique nature among the humans of this reality.

In such a precarious situation I had no room for morality I had to hack the EA computer systems, Plant my identity and relevant documents e.g. Birth Certificate and “allocate” funds into a bank account I would open later that day. In order to achieve this I figured a public library would be ideal, I could find a quiet spot with very little people about where I wouldn’t attract undue suspicion from using my ancient device on the computer terminal. I planted the information in the relevant databases with ease, The EA security and computers themselves being incredibly primitive next to my wrist device. Also during this I took the opportunity to browse the internet, on it I found information on dubious characters, from this I picked a rich suspected money launderer in order to “allocate” some funds. But before I could perform the necessary work I still had to open a bank account. Instead I had the computer run me a copy of a forged birth certificate and other papers so I could obtain a planetary passport.

Bureaucracy never changes. Once I had obtained my ID opening a bank account was incredibly easy, another thing that seemed to remain constant. I headed back to the library and liberated some funds carefully ensuring I left no traceable trail, on the contrary I left quite a few fake trails. Not that they would ever go to the authorities but being paranoid and taking popular culture literally on the resourcefulness of criminals, I was probably right in being careful. Outside the library I made my way to a cloths shop where I proceeded to buy local fashion and a long sleeved but trendy jacket in order to cover up my wrist device.

Now that the little problems were taken care of I was presented with a predicament. I needed a way to recruit the people with the skill sets I needed, attain a position of influence and resources. The more I mulled this around in my head the more I realised that any ordinary legitimate route would take a long time. Going into research and defence would ensure I had no control over my toys. I lacked the charisma for politics, besides I was more of a behind the scenes kind of guy well that was how I wanted to play this out. Even at that I only had a year before the crap hit the fan and the Minbari where on Earth’s door step. The only solution that came to mind was one I did not like.
Ciaphas Cain February 2nd 2244



Earth: Earthdome Geneva, Switzerland
My knowledge of the Babylon 5 universe isn’t absolute. Walking into Senator Morgan Clark’s office all I knew was Morgan Clark was a dangerous and power hungry man. That he would be responsible for President Luis Santiago assassination years later, Was a fascist and absolute Xenophobe, Would set up a paramilitary organization called the Night watch and be responsible for the Earth civil war.

All this I knew and it was precisely this ironically enough that made him the man I had to go to. The fact he was inscrutable, morally corrupt and prepared to do questionable things meant he was likely my best chance of getting the fast track provided I was able to convince him which I surmised wouldn’t be too difficult. Nothing attracts power hungry people more than the promise of power, naturally I was going to betray the scumbag at the nearest opportune time.

“Excuse me” said the secretary. “I am here to see Senator Morgan Clarke, he is expecting me.” I said while at the same time taking notice of how attractive the secretary was. At 5ft 6 inches, Blonde haired and blue eyed with a perfect figure it was almost a cliché.

“Oh yes a Mr Ciaphas Cain, Could you please take a seat someone is already seeing him” said the secretary. Sitting down I lifted a leaflet and pretended to browse through it with great interest when in reality I was a tad nervous. Getting in here had proved difficult; I had to forge many documents as I was pretending to be a scientist researching defensive ship technologies. I just hoped that Clarke was interested in such things at this time as it was clear he was most interested in such things later as EA president. Anything that would give Earth the needed edge to become the most prominent power in the galaxy. Now the only problem I had, well after convincing him for funding, Access to labs etc. Was how much technology I wanted to give the Earth Alliance right now?

This was problematic because I had to convince the man in order to get into the Earth force chain of command. It was my hope if I could gain his trust I would get black operation leeway hence my own staff, access to EA resources and labs in order to secretly prepare my own ships. I based these assumptions on the various black operations Clarke would implement later on in his career.

The door opened I looked up to see a vaguely familiar man still in discussion with Clarke. He was the foreign affairs minister or maybe intelligence I wasn’t too sure. I just remembered that he was the man Londo Mollari tried to warn about approaching the Minbari to no avail.

“Morgan we are sending out an expedition to find the Minbari, There is a lot we don’t know about them. They could be a threat to the security of the EA.”
“I couldn’t agree more but who you got in mind to lead the expedition?” Said Clarke
“Michael Jankowski is going to lead up the expedition”
Clarke smiled “Good choice, Let me know how that pans out”
The man smiled “Will do” and left.

Clarke looked over at me sharply. “Another scientist looking funding he exclaimed”
I approached, put out my hand to shake his. He just looked at it so I put my hand back down and replied
“Ciaphas Cain, Pleased to meet you Senator”
Clarke grunted “I suppose you better come in I haven’t got all day.”

Inside his office against the back wall stood a man in this realities equivalent of a suit I guess. Something about him screamed security and knowing Clarke’s record not exactly the legal kind.
“Oh don’t mind him he’s just chief of my security detail, Can’t be too careful these days with all the aliens about.” I nodded agreement.

“Take a sit make yourself comfortable. And maybe you can get started on what it is you wish to speak about?”
I sat down noticing the plaque on the front of his desk with his name on it. The desk was oak brown, on it where various papers. On the back wall there was the Earth Alliance crest and flag. Alongside them there was also an American flag representing Clarke’s nationality.
“Senator Clarke as you know from the files I sent you earlier, I am a researcher on defensive technology. I feel my research could greatly improve our ships defence capabilities. It need not be said the impact that such a thing would have on the alliance”
“Yes, Yes I got them notes but it’s a whole load of jargon as far as I am concerned. Can you tell me what it means in English and be brief” replied Clarke
“Senator, You are aware of the Abbai” I paused. “Yes of course I am aware of them, they are one of them league of non-aligned worlds races, your point being?” questioned Clarke
“As you know there ships are equipped with shield technology, Quite advanced” I lied “My research pertains to shielding technology I believe I have cracked it. In fact I believe my shield technology may even be more advanced than the Abbai’s”
A twinkle appeared in Clarke’s eye followed then by a frown “So you’re saying you have perfected the use of shields? Even when all our current experts have almost went so far as to say it isn’t physically possible? In fact I had some of the boys go over them notes you sent me, Your theories and formula got them all in a tizzy that’s why I agreed to see you” I had earlier when requesting this meeting sent some rudimentary shield physics notes to Clarke for his scientists to analyse confident it would take them decades to figure it out.
“No I haven’t got it perfected yet senator” I lied “But with the funding, access to labs and personal you would be able to provide me I am fully confident I would have a working prototype done in say a year”
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Old Nov 28th 2009, 5:36am   #2
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Hmm. This is interesting. I can see were some polish is needed, but a fun self-insert nonetheless. How far do you intend on going with this?
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It's a beginning, but I'm a little lost.

At first I thought you were going to become a "Kosh". But instead you're a SG Alteran in Bab5? Just to clarify what your premise is instead of the one that "inspired" you? Forgive my confusion...
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The title needs changing and I need more criticism too to brush it up. I am currently writing more and I think I am gonna go pretty far with it. I picked that title as a play on me,myself and Irene a comedy I liked because at some point I will meet Kosh....Only problem is the myself bit so yea I am open to suggestions but not a primary concern at moment, At moment I am trying to get more done so readers can get a idea of how vast in the B5 universe it will be.
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At first I thought you were going to become a "Kosh". But instead you're a SG Alteran in Bab5? Just to clarify what your premise is instead of the one that "inspired" you? Forgive my confusion...
Yes and no. I aint alteran as such I am what the Tau'ri should eventually become as in a third evolution/bordering on ascension as humanity is philosophically speaking the children of the ancients
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Needless to say Clarke had proven quite enthusiastic, even more so than I expected. The man was full of surprises, Already I had funding, this lab and a ship to work with. Originally I was going to be provided with a Hyperion Class Heavy Cruiser.

Yep the oldest hunk of junk in the EA fleet! At 990 meters long the ship was currently the backbone of the Earth Alliance fleet, Had neither artificial gravity nor a rotating section. In short I and my staff would have had to work in micro-gravity. Of course due to my unusual gifts this would not have been a problem. Nevertheless there where many valid reasons why this ship simply would not do.

Of course I did not inform Clarke about all of them. No I insisted upon the need for a Nova class dreadnought. Naturally this didn’t go down well. But after much bickering I managed to convince Clarke that the Hyperion’s power output would never be enough to power the prototype shields. There was no way I was going to sell it otherwise. As the Nova class would require refits in order to install the necessary rotating sections, Earth Force already had such possibilities on the drawing board and where capable of it through their own technical ingenuity. I for sure was not going to suddenly “invent” artificial gravity; Well I wasn’t prepared to do so at this time.

No the ship had to be a Nova class dreadnought because later on when the bone heads arrived it was the only ship in the earth force fleet that could put up a half decent fight. Perhaps I am being generous, It would have fared better if its rate of fire had of been somewhat better, and the ship itself had been more manoeuvrable among various other reasons. Of course Clarke was completely oblivious to the fact that this would likely be the first Nova class to get my improvements, the others following suite when Armageddon came knocking on the door.

If he did know, if he did he would have likely blew his top. In an actual combat situation anyone in it would have been royally screwed. Powering my shields would have rendered the weapons system useless as this behemoth took quite sometime to power it’s really over the top weapons systems. Primitive yes, completely inferior to Ancient drone and beam weaponry but nonetheless complete overkill, the ship was bristling with plasma weaponry, I rather liked it.

I could already picture the surprise on the Minbari’s face when the Nova’s actually achieved weapons lock and let loose the dogs of war. Of course I wasn’t going to ignore this problem, no I already decided that I would make a ZPM O’Neill style but cloak them. I would also secretly totally upgrade the sensors. Upgrading the sensors carried the most risk, there was no way I could hide such upgrades.

I certainly had many challenges to my grand plan, and it soon was time to take a few others into my confidence. Also it was beginning to become clear to me that perhaps I was hasty in going to Clarke, after all if I stayed the course I was on it was entirely possible I would become the reason Clarke gets into power, only this time with more resources. How could I control such a man?

Also great care had to be taken, least the Lords of order and just plain good old fashioned censorship AKA my Vorlons buddies, became aware of the technological leaps humanity where about to make in such a short time span. Thankfully I didn’t have to worry about the Dancers in the dark just yet as those IPX goons haven’t travelled to Z’ha’dum at this time. Yes I had to let the circle play out to a certain extent least I am discovered and conveniently made to disappear. For you see my goal wasn’t to change the course of the Earth/Minbari war, I wasn’t out to eradicate the bone heads quite simply because Minbar was destined to become possibly the greatest friend Earth ever had. And that was definitely something Clarke could not understand. Yes alot of people where going to die but I had to look at the bigger picture, at least this time with what I had planned we would give a better account of ourselves at the battle of the line. I couldn’t change the entire war putting us on the winning side, in retrospect even if I had wanted to it would have been impossible the Minbari had been militarizing for hundreds of years. The circle had to remain intact and it would, only events wouldn’t play out the same not exactly, what I had planned would earn the respect of the warrior caste and ensure at the very least I saved many lives on earth’s doorstep.

No after the Earth/Minbari war I was going to make a stronger grand alliance, End that Narn/Centuri feuding, Prevent Shadow/Centuri co-operation and change the entire course of the Shadow war. For this I needed Babylon 5. My grand alliance was going to bloody both first ones noses, humble them and ensure they understood the depth of their mistakes.

Now that I was here it simply had to be done, Pompous and hypocritical fools personally who didn’t even achieve ascension. Instead they are stuck in limbo in a halfway state, both completely stagnant and actually going so far as to become the personification of their own respective but flawed ideology due to its extremism.

Order cannot exist without chaos, Chaos cannot exist without order, it is ying and yang. The Shadow argument may have had some merit but one should also realise growth does take place during times of stability thus adding merit to the Vorlon argument, It’s ironic actually for if the Vorlons had not have been so interested in proving their theory correct thus providing the shadows respite in past wars there would be no Dancers in the dark. Also the sheer gall of them to expunge there chaos theory survival of the fittest crap, yet not have the decency to pilot their own ships or do their own dirty work.

No it was time to get righteous. Both first ones had lost themselves, no longer seeked enlightenment and thought they held all the answers. It wouldn’t surprise me if they where immensely different than they were when they first stood upon the path, it would surely explain their state of limbo.

Hyper-evolved for a million years? The exact figure I am not sure of and not one of their number reached Lorien or the Triads level. Perhaps when I was finished laying down my lessons I would look up ascension in the repository, Guide and take the final steps with them and journey beyond the rim.

If the others where here the ascended Alterans or in fact my own ascended Tau’ri brethren, both camps would likely not be happy with the whole god complex thing I got going right now. Damn I couldn’t do anything either, it would be rather boring being ascended in the Stargate universe. I may not have the right but I just can’t stomach the crap the Vorlons and Shadows get away with and I especially can’t stomach the fact the Vorlons tampered with my brethren here and that we will in a millions years hyper evolve only to emulate them, with them stupid tin can suits and are probably enigmatic assholes as well.

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Onboard the EAS Schwarzkopf B 2 months later

I watched the activity going on around me with both amusement and pride. The technical staff Clarke had provided for me where proving themselves most resourceful, one person in particular I found myself establishing great rapport with. This probably had alot to do with the fact they too were also from Ireland.

“Sir the guys over at engineering reckon we should have the new rotational sections operating at peak efficiency within a few days” said Arthur Lagan
“Excellent, will the new weapons systems arrive as scheduled?” I asked
“The 44 heavy pulse cannons will take about a week sir, but the 6 particles guns for point defence will arrive in a day or two. The tech guys are also working on the interceptor grid they say it should be operational within a week” Replied Arthur

“Sir if I may ask?”

“Yes?” I expected this
“Why are we installing new weapons systems if this ship is merely going to be a prototype test bed for your new shields?” Arthur asked
“Clarke asked the very same thing when I drew up my list of necessary equipment. I’ll tell you what I told him” I smiled. “In order for my system to be a complete success we must factor in all factors which naturally includes weapons. After all this is a war ship, we must determine if powering the shields will prove problematic in a combat situation therefore defeating the purpose of the whole thing. Also I asked for the interceptor grid installed because I thought it best not to reveal to potential enemies our capabilities too early, plus shields will last longer in a pitched battle if they aren’t under immediate strain.” Clarke was ecstatic when I told him this; I nearly would have sworn he was a general instead of a Senator.

Understanding dawned on my aides face. “I see sir, I must return to my duties” Arthur left me to my musings. Yes Arthur was proving quite useful. It had taken 2 months to re-tool a dry dock facility for this operation and to also teach my technical staff the basic principles of the technology we where installing. Of course most of them didn’t truly understand it, but nevertheless the EA where quite adept at working with technology they didn’t understand fully which of course could be said about most of the races here. If half of them truly understood hyperspace and the gates they used on a daily basis they would only be a few steps short of First One level, well, technologically speaking. Philosophically that would probably be another millennia. Well maybe not my human brethren or the Minbari but most certainly the Narn, Centauri and those Drazi morons.

Arthur had grasped basic concepts rather quickly. He also struck me as an honest fellow, rather jovial and probably fiercely loyal too if he had your corner. Red hair and at 6, 5 inches he would likely be rather useful in a jam. Perhaps it was the camaraderie of another Irish man I do not know but I nevertheless decided I would recruit Arthur. Into what I wasn’t sure yet, the army of light, only headed by me? No Sheridan and co still had their parts to play I just had to ensure I was a big part of it, and that they would do what was needed in order to succeed. Likely I would have to divulge alot of information to him but at the same time withhold some or even lie, Sheridan was a man who took his principals and own sense of morality very seriously. Delenn was just as bad.

All was going well, in a week my shield system would be installed and ready for testing. I had also managed to fool some of my engineering and technical staff into believing that they were working on the new refined power delivery systems when in fact they where building the seat for housing my ZPM. Luckily the power delivery systems I did devise where installed during the rotational sections refit or else I would have been set back months while we gutted the ship installing the new power delivery systems.

The approach of Alice Vandervoort tore me away from my own musings. “Sir the power delivery system is now ready for your inspection”
which was really just the seating for the ZPM. Something I had to attend to by myself in private
“Thank you Alice I will attend to it as soon as possible.” As she left I debated with myself when would be a good time to install the ZPM and quickly concluded that the most ideal time would be at night when people transferred over to the dry dock, while others went planet side. Of course there would be some night staff on but that would mostly be technical staff far too busy to take real notice of my activities, plus they weren’t paid to ask questions.

Also the realization that I would likely have to include Alice into my plans sunk in; After all she was Arthur’s wife. Call me old fashioned or naive but I would wager being correct that Arthur wouldn’t be able to keep anything a secret from her for long. I mean I was hardly military or even a government official as such at this moment and what I had planned wouldn’t exactly be official so that pretty much ruled out confidentiality agreements. Though this was not a bad thing, Alice had quickly shown incredible organizational skills, totally complimenting Arthur. Together they were quite the formidable pair and it was a god send as I hated dealing with all the small details. I imagined the synergy the pair had was one of the reasons they married.

Some hours later

I made my way down the corridors towards the engineering section with my baby, the first ZPM to be created by me here. I would have found it mildly heavy if not for the fact I had above norm strength, once installed the shields would be able to stand up to a immense amount of punishment, while at the same time powering the weapons and other defence systems easily. Sensors would not get an overhaul until I unveiled my nova dreadnought with its Alteran shields, once Clarke and the military seen my results I suspected they would be falling over themselves to employ me for other projects.

The shields would probably fully protect the ship against one Sharlin cruiser but multiple cruisers attacking would likely eventually take them down. Shadow slicing beams and Vorlon beam weaponry would definitely take them down in short order, as if the craft was in a fight with another Alteran or similar level of tech ship. Of course at this stage I intended to have the weaponry to return the favour. All in all I was still quite pleased, I mounted the ZPM, Exclaiming but not too loudly “Hyperspace taps eat your heart out!” I then activated the miniaturized cloak that only hid the ZPM. The cloak was derived from Puddle jumpers it really was just a scaled down version only I did somewhat improve it, after all I had to hide the power output of a ZPM! Puddle jumpers had nowhere near that kind of power
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A week from now we could begin basic testing followed by some mock war games in 2 weeks to really test the shield capabilities. After Clarke was suitably impressed I was going to request a name change for the ship as EAS Schwarzkopf B was just ill fated. After all the same class of ship with the same name except the letter B. Would be part of that cowboy Michael Jankowski’s expedition into Minbari space and would subsequently be involved in the attack on the Valen'Tha. Only to be later destroyed by the Sharlin cruiser the Black star.

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Old Nov 30th 2009, 6:25pm   #8
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Getting a tad interesting ....
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Bet he asks to be sent to the babylon 5 station.
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Old Nov 30th 2009, 6:48pm   #10
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He becomes chief engineer and is always upgrading the station using his secret "little friends", the station will be capable of interstellar travel, have gravity, shields, cloak, weapons, drones and energy beams.

He could also try to get on the shadow crab project so he can study it. ALso he can build his tech so that at his command it will shut down, allowing him to stop EA ships.
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Sorta disappointed that you aren't Kosh. Aside from that it seems fine.
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Nice story so far.
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Old Dec 1st 2009, 7:05am   #13
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For one thing, putting actual numbers in a story is almost never done. Something about jarring the aesthetic appearance of the text.

Second, punctuation is your friend. USE IT!
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I think this fits everybody quite nicely, doesn't the reader think so, too?
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I'm enjoying this. Good start.
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Interesting. I hope to see more soon.
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I'm not enjoying this. Some part of it is another repeat of the idiocy of Star Trek time travel, which is as stupid as it is poorly thought out. Another problem is that it leads to a rehash of series canon, and if I wanted that, I could just watch the TV show again. The last problem is that Ciaphas Cain is far too Gary Stu'ish. Bleh.
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I'm not enjoying this. Some part of it is another repeat of the idiocy of Star Trek time travel, which is as stupid as it is poorly thought out. Another problem is that it leads to a rehash of series canon, and if I wanted that, I could just watch the TV show again. The last problem is that Ciaphas Cain is far too Gary Stu'ish. Bleh.
Out of curiosity, what stories do you like? Maybe it's because I haven't been around long enough, but I can't remember seeing you say anything positive about stories you have commented on. No offense intended.
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I will be diverging from the normal canon very soon after the battle of the line. Babylon 5 the station of course will be featured but the story will not be a rehash. As for the gary sue if you read the start bit of my story you would see its pretty much is me/my character putting myself into the fictional universe as the original propasal intended(thats the point you should have stopped reading) Simply put it is wish fulfilment:P

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A "Gary Stu"[1] is in fact a male Mary Sue, sometimes called by a similarly masculinized term. References to male characters being a "Gary Stu" are less common than those to female "Mary Sues," possibly due to the low proportion of male fanfiction writers. They are generally identified as being much cooler, tougher, and sexier than the canon characters. Girls in the story will fall over themselves to capture the attention of "Gary Stu". While "Gary Stu" can be interpreted as the male version of the perfect character, he will often display more extreme anti-hero traits than the typical "Mary Sue," making him an "Angsty Stu" or a "Villain Stu". While anti-heroes have in recent times become increasingly more popular among their devoted fans, the most notable qualities of a "Mary Sue" still persist - a "Gary Stu" manipulates the canon universe around him, and furthermore he lacks an individual personality.

While the term is generally limited to fan-created characters, rare but still prevalent cases of "Gary Stu" exist in reference to canon characters. In a play-by-post role-playing game, many original characters are criticized as "Gary Stu" if they dominate the spotlight or can miraculously escape a near-impossible predicament (usually with an unlikely manliness and heroism).

I can see where your coming from with some aspect of Ciaphas Cain. But to be honest I havent wrote anything about ladies falling all over him nor is there enough information really on the character. So far its been from his perspective, Not who he is but what he is doing there. I am glad you think hes cool, sexy and tough! Also he will hog less of the limelight in up coming chapters. There isnt enough information on pre-minbari war earth, well I certainly didnt want to write or make up a entire fan fic on the subject. There will be a few new characters but the B5 canon characters will feature heavily of course.

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Out of curiosity, what stories do you like? Maybe it's because I haven't been around long enough, but I can't remember seeing you say anything positive about stories you have commented on. No offense intended.
Heh, no offense taken.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~glh

I have a ton of other stories I like outside of those listed on my FFnet account, but I don't have a lot of the url's on hand atm.
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