Enterprise Vs Eagles

[mackon]

A fleet of 10 Space 1999 Eagles in a fight to the death with Archers Enterprise.

[rogrd]

They've got absolutely no chance.

He has shields, warp drive, better weapons.

Moon Base...what? Oh another large crater on the moon

[DrStrangelove]

Originally Posted by rogrd

They've got absolutely no chance.

He has shields, warp drive, better weapons.

Moon Base...what? Oh another large crater on the moon

Wrong enterprise. OP is the NX-01, no shield, primitive warp drive, spatial torpedoes

[rogrd]

It's phasers more than make up for that fact.

Still the Eagles will lose. It can warp in or out of the fight if need be.

[mackon]

Originally Posted by rogrd

It's phasers more than make up for that fact.

Still the Eagles will lose. It can warp in or out of the fight if need be.

No phasers either

Have a quick look the Enterprise (NX-01) and on Memory Alpha


If used to its best tactical advantage warp would be a game winner but I don't think they do that in the show so they prob wouldn't here. They also have real problems with their first generation transporters so their not very useful in a fight.

[evilauthor]

Um, are the Eagles even ARMED???

[dylanredefined]

They got missiles and some sort of laser the enterprise can out fly and out shoot them.

[mackon]

Originally Posted by evilauthor

Um, are the Eagles even ARMED???

Yeah I did wonder if I should put that in the OP

These are Combat Eagles. Which means they come complete with a laser canon under the cockpit, an anti personnel laser turret that deploys from behind the top of the command module and a limited number of "Space missiles" they have not been fitted with the deflector shield or booster rockets.

# Fighters — Although Eagles are not primarily designed for combat, they can be equipped with laser cannon and missiles for defensive purposes. When Moonbase Alpha broke away from Earth, several Eagles were equipped with weapons and used to defend the Moonbase from potential alien attacks. Specialised Eagles were designated as 'Combat Eagles' in The Metamorph

[rogrd]

Okay sorry my bad terminology - still phaser cannons are more than good enough.

But they would likely detect them at warp, drop out of ftl and then attack if Eagles were being hostile.

If not then combat will be at relativistic speeds, but even so....Eagles lack interial dampeners and will suffer were than NX01.

[Ash's Boomstick]

Shame they cant get a sqn or so of Hawks instead

http://www.space1999.net/moonbase99/tech4.htm

[kyosanim]

Originally Posted by rogrd

Okay sorry my bad terminology - still phaser cannons are more than good enough.

But they would likely detect them at warp, drop out of ftl and then attack if Eagles were being hostile.

If not then combat will be at relativistic speeds, but even so....Eagles lack interial dampeners and will suffer were than NX01.

Who says Eagles lack inertial dampeners, they can in a very relative short period reach their top speed of 15% c, without some kind of dampeners that would be impossible.

I'm kind of torn here, Eagles are among my favorite ships ever, but I don't think they would have a chance, not unless Archer had a brain fart thus leaving them come so close that it was impossible for the Enterprise to dodge their nuclear missiles.

[Q99]

Even armed I think this is one-sided, the NX-01 is a combat vessel.

[evilauthor]

Originally Posted by kyosanim

Who says Eagles lack inertial dampeners, they can in a very relative short period reach their top speed of 15% c, without some kind of dampeners that would be impossible.

0.15c? I thought Space 1999 was relatively hard Sci Fi? Well aside from the whole nuking the Moon out of Earth orbit bit...

[kyosanim]

Originally Posted by Q99

Even armed I think this is one-sided, the NX-01 is a combat vessel.

In this I think they are kind of equal, the Enterprise wasn't also a combat vessel, more like a vessel built for exploration with some moderate weapons for self-defense, it was just later that the Enterprise got really beefed up. Same with the combat Eagles, first they were just transports, but later it was added a main laser, a secondary laser turret, nuclear missiles and in some cases engines on steroids and some type of gravity shields.

But the technological gap is too big for the Eagles to win

[mackon]

Originally Posted by evilauthor

0.15c? I thought Space 1999 was relatively hard Sci Fi? Well aside from the whole nuking the Moon out of Earth orbit bit...

It comes and it goes

First season they tried to keep things a little in the realms of the at least vaguely believable. They had the Ultra Probe in Dragons Den take 15 months to go from near Earth orbit to a newly discovered planet out beyond Pluto.

second season when the Italians took over things got a bit more wild.

[kyosanim]

Originally Posted by evilauthor

0.15c? I thought Space 1999 was relatively hard Sci Fi? Well aside from the whole nuking the Moon out of Earth orbit bit...

In the series was hinted many times that Eagles were able to reach moderate relativistic speeds, but in the DVD's special features it gives that speed as theirs max.

[jamesraykenney]

Originally Posted by evilauthor

0.15c? I thought Space 1999 was relatively hard Sci Fi? Well aside from the whole nuking the Moon out of Earth orbit bit...

They are in the same universe as "UFO" so they have reverse engineered alien technology...

They even had a probe follow a UFO to another solar system(in UFO that is).
I THINK they followed it through a wormhole or something, but I may be wrong...

Also, they had to be fast to manage to get back to the moon which was moving FTL!!!

[Starbug]

Where have all the Space: 1999 fans come from all of a sudden?

It was an enjoyable enough show, an a slightly camp kind of way, but it was never as big as some of the other sci-fi shows the BBC was putting out around the same time, like Doctor Who or Blake's Seven.

[DaedalusOdysey]

Originally Posted by Starbug

Where have all the Space: 1999 fans come from all of a sudden?

It was an enjoyable enough show, an a slightly camp kind of way, but it was never as big as some of the other sci-fi shows the BBC was putting out around the same time, like Doctor Who or Blake's Seven.

I think the campiness is part of why people love it, and sometimes you need campiness versus current darkgrim over the top stuff. It's one reason alot of people liked SG-1 and the newest series of Doctor Who it has/retains alot of the campiness that makes it fun to watch.

[mackon]

Originally Posted by Starbug

Where have all the Space: 1999 fans come from all of a sudden?

It was an enjoyable enough show, an a slightly camp kind of way, but it was never as big as some of the other sci-fi shows the BBC was putting out around the same time, like Doctor Who or Blake's Seven.

I could do without the main leadership ie John Koenig, Misses Koenig the Professor, Tony Verduci they really didn't add anything to show for me except weird religious concepts and camp. Although they had their individual moments to shine mostly they were just annoying.

The real draw card were the everyman Alphans like Sandra, Kuno and Alan Carter the base's look and equipment and of course the awesomeness that was the Eagle Transporters plus Mk 9 Hawks and the Super Swift the Laser Tanks and a few of the alien of the week.

[Ash's Boomstick]

Originally Posted by mackon

I could do without the main leadership ie John Koenig, Misses Koenig the Professor, Tony Verduci they really didn't add anything to show for me except weird religious concepts and camp. Although they had their individual moments to shine mostly they were just annoying.

The real draw card were the everyman Alphans like Sandra, Kuno and Alan Carter the base's look and equipment and of course the awesomeness that was the Eagle Transporters plus Mk 9 Hawks and the Super Swift the Laser Tanks and a few of the alien of the week.

Agreed Alan Carter was the Dude when it came to the series who else on moonbase could take on multiple ships each five time his firepower and capability and down almost all of them. Still I would have liked to have seen it actually show it was part of the UFOverse, those eagles and mk9s would have been awesome against the greenskins.

Actually could anyone tell me if we ever found out who the greenskins were exactly?

[kyosanim]

Originally Posted by Starbug

Where have all the Space: 1999 fans come from all of a sudden?

It was an enjoyable enough show, an a slightly camp kind of way, but it was never as big as some of the other sci-fi shows the BBC was putting out around the same time, like Doctor Who or Blake's Seven.

Space 1999 fans have always being around, just because it isn’t mentioned much doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Space 1999 never got as big as other shows BBC was putting out due to Fred Freiberge's involvement in season two thus killing it, IMO the only thing positive that season 2 got was Maya, but on the other hand Tony Verdeschi was among the worst and to this day I hating the character with passion.

Originally Posted by mackon

I could do without the main leadership ie John Koenig, Misses Koenig the Professor, Tony Verduci they really didn't add anything to show for me except weird religious concepts and camp. Although they had their individual moments to shine mostly they were just annoying.

The real draw card were the everyman Alphans like Sandra, Kuno and Alan Carter the base's look and equipment and of course the awesomeness that was the Eagle Transporters plus Mk 9 Hawks and the Super Swift the Laser Tanks and a few of the alien of the week.

I disagree; Koenig was a very good and competent leader among the best in any Sci-Fi show and Prof. Bergman not coming back being a true loss. In every show there are always plenty of secondary characters, but besides Koenig, Helena, Maya and Alan Carter were also great characters and not a bit annoying.

About religion, I don’t remember Space 1999 ever getting into that at all, can you point a single example of religious stuff? The camp part was mostly Verdeschi's fault due his stupid obsession with beer(recurrent beer gags) and refusal to use his single brain cell to at least think once, thus why I hate him so much.

About the Eagles, I think its consensus it are among the best space ships ever designed.

Originally Posted by Ash's Boomstick

Actually could anyone tell me if we ever found out who the greenskins were exactly?

NO, they just stop showing up and reason was never given.

[dylanredefined]

I had the toy eagle transporter but not the one that had the winch and yellow tubs of radio active waste .They took the stickers off after someone left theirs in a sand pit and they were found .Causing an alert remember it being on the news

[mackon]

Originally Posted by kyosanim

About religion, I don’t remember Space 1999 ever getting into that at all, can you point a single example of religious stuff? The camp part was mostly Verdeschi's fault due his stupid obsession with beer(recurrent beer gags) and refusal to use his single brain cell to at least think once, thus why I hate him so much.

I didn't mean "weird religious concepts" like that, I wasn't accusing Space 1999 of trying to push Scientology or anything.

Maybe I should have said "weird spiritual concepts" and that would be clearer. Although that one time they reprogrammed the killer robot with the ten commandments was freaky.

Anyway it was usually Koenig and Bergman having a chat or sometimes Helena voice overs in those moral of this weeks story moments, when they tried to tie in a OTG or guiding galactic force or whatever, to explain or reinforce whatever bizarre thing had just happened.

[Senmut]

One good shot from an Eagle, especially if the hull plating isn't polarized, would rupture the casing of the warp nacelles, knocking out the warp drive. A few more could slice off a nacelle, or button the torpedo tube. Ten Eagles, more nimble than Enterprise, might just pull it off, if the timing was just right.