Design a Honorverse ship within reason

[Evil Imperial]

Sol Class SD (Sol League)

Tonnage: 9 Million Tons

Accleration Normal Space: 480.0 G's, 4757.7 in Hyperspace

Sidewall/Impellers: Latest Generation Sol League Alpha and Beta nodes outside of the OFS, and latest Sidewall bubble tech
600CM Graser 4 Aft Chase, 4 Forward Chase

500CM Laser 15 Port Broadside, 15 Starboard Broadside

550CM Graser 6 Port Broadside, 6 Starboard Broadside

450CM Laser 25 Port Broadside, 25 Starboard Broadside

Launcher SDN SD-Mod 40 Port Broadside, 40 Starboard Broadside, 10 Aft Chase, 10 Forward Chase

PD Laser Cluster 60 Port Broadside, 60 Starboard Broadside, 15 Aft Chase, 15 Forward Chase

SLN-CM Launcher 50 Port Broadside, 50 Starboard Broadside, 20 Aft Chase, 20 Forward Chase

This format is acceptable or the one from http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/misc/...ist/0COVER.HTM

Alright Weberites it's your duty to speculate about this stuff, I am hoping to get more stuff from the more obscure empires......(I been reading a lot of Weber lately)

[Desert Fox]

Battlecruiser (Warmaiden II Class) -1.2 million tons
Royal Manticore Navy

Acceleration Normal Space: 576.0 G's, 5500 in Hyperspace

Length Overall (Meters) 1,820
Maximum Beam (Meters) 240
Maximum Height (Meters) 210

Complement 800 (60 Officers + 740 Warrant/Enlisted)
Core Crew 680 (50 + 630)
Marine Complement 120 (10 + 110)

Has latest generation sidewalls with bow and stern walls.
Has full Ghostrider upgrades

Side Grazer Mounts (475 cm): 30 - 15 per side
Front Grazer Mounts: (575 cm) : 6 - 3 fwd
Rear Missile Pod: 3 missile rails
Launcher Mod 3CM: 44 - 16 per side 6 fwd / aft
PD Laser Cluster: 112 - 40 per side 16 fwd /aft

[Contemplator]

Right off the bat, I can tell you that ship will not accellerate at anywhere near 480 Gs. Before the Graysons new compensators the Largest ships topped 8.5 Million tons because after that point accelleration dropped like a rock. SLN does not have access to the new compensators.

Originally Posted by Evil Imperial

Sol Class SD (Sol League)

Tonnage: 9 Million Tons

Accleration Normal Space: 480.0 G's, 4757.7 in Hyperspace

Sidewall/Impellers: Latest Generation Sol League Alpha and Beta nodes outside of the OFS, and latest Sidewall bubble tech
600CM Graser 4 Aft Chase, 4 Forward Chase

500CM Laser 15 Port Broadside, 15 Starboard Broadside

550CM Graser 6 Port Broadside, 6 Starboard Broadside

450CM Laser 25 Port Broadside, 25 Starboard Broadside

Launcher SDN SD-Mod 40 Port Broadside, 40 Starboard Broadside, 10 Aft Chase, 10 Forward Chase

PD Laser Cluster 60 Port Broadside, 60 Starboard Broadside, 15 Aft Chase, 15 Forward Chase

SLN-CM Launcher 50 Port Broadside, 50 Starboard Broadside, 20 Aft Chase, 20 Forward Chase

This format is acceptable or the one from http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/misc/harrington/nefarious-list/0COVER.HTM

Alright Weberites it's your duty to speculate about this stuff, I am hoping to get more stuff from the more obscure empires......(I been reading a lot of Weber lately)

[404]

I would go at a different approach. I would have a drone carrier, say using a battlecruiser hull, instead take out some of the weapons, leaving a couple of grasers, lasers, and torpedo launchers. In place I would put small drones, basically mobile bomb-pumped lasers, and just surround the enemy in fire. Of course, I don't read too much of the Honorverse so I may be incorrect.

[Light Soldier]

Originally Posted by 404

I would go at a different approach. I would have a drone carrier, say using a battlecruiser hull, instead take out some of the weapons, leaving a couple of grasers, lasers, and torpedo launchers. In place I would put small drones, basically mobile bomb-pumped lasers, and just surround the enemy in fire. Of course, I don't read too much of the Honorverse so I may be incorrect.

You know, Honorverse ships have something like that allready, they are called missiles

[404]

I thought that the missiles had only bombs on them. But I'm not too familiar with Honorverse, but I recall that they do have bomb-pumped lasers. Very nasty weapons. Well in my "ship", it would just launch those in bunches, have them fire away from a distance, while the main command ship fires grasers. Speaking of grasers, are they like lasers except they fire gamma rays?

Let's see how the Solarian horde responds to that.

[Light Soldier]

Originally Posted by 404

I thought that the missiles had only bombs on them. But I'm not too familiar with Honorverse, but I recall that they do have bomb-pumped lasers. Very nasty weapons. Well in my "ship", it would just launch those in bunches, have them fire away from a distance, while the main command ship fires grasers. Speaking of grasers, are they like lasers except they fire gamma rays?

Let's see how the Solarian horde responds to that.

Nope. Primary anti-ship missile warhead is a cluster of bomb-pumped x-ray lasers. All ships do carry just thermo-nuke warheads as well but because of the efficiency of EW and Point-Defense in Honorverse, contact nukes are pretty much obsolete.

GRASER stands for Gamma-Ray Amplification via Stimulated Emission of Radiation. So basically they are just Gamma Ray lasers.

[Aiyel]

Originally Posted by 404

I thought that the missiles had only bombs on them. But I'm not too familiar with Honorverse, but I recall that they do have bomb-pumped lasers. Very nasty weapons. Well in my "ship", it would just launch those in bunches, have them fire away from a distance, while the main command ship fires grasers. Speaking of grasers, are they like lasers except they fire gamma rays?

Let's see how the Solarian horde responds to that.

Yes, Grasers are basically gamma ray lasers. Energy weapons are also painfully short-ranged compared to missiles.

[MJ12 Commando]

I have an idea for a unconventional ship... build a CL, strip out all crew compartments, life support, etc., put a grav pulse generator on it, remove every non-defensive armament, and with the spare space, add a lot more point defense. So you slave two or three to a SD, and these ships can help it deal with missiles. If worst comes to worst, you can sacrifice them to prevent damage to the SD.

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by mj_12commando

I have an idea for a unconventional ship... build a CL, strip out all crew compartments, life support, etc., put a grav pulse generator on it, remove every non-defensive armament, and with the spare space, add a lot more point defense. So you slave two or three to a SD, and these ships can help it deal with missiles. If worst comes to worst, you can sacrifice them to prevent damage to the SD.

Problem is that you could probably not put in eneough point defense to make a huge amount of difference, the fire control would lack a human touch, the grav pulse system could not sent enough information for effective fire control, and still rather expensive. I really like the idea of linking the fire control of advanced LACs with the main fleet like the peeps do in "War of Honor"

[Evil Imperial]

Can we get back to designing please?

[404]

How about this, you get a Superdreadnaught hull, I think a Haven one because they are larger, and strip everything out of it except a habitat for a small crew, point defense weapons, a powerplant (smaller, without weapons on the ship) and an engine. In place of all those weapons and decks and crews you load it up with bomb-pumped lasers, this time, larger models that pack more of a punch, each with a rocket pack on it. The bomb pumped lasers swarm around your superdreadnaught hull, and when the enemy comes in range, the bomb pumped lasers blast off as fast as possible, detonate, and rip the enemy to shreds. This, however, would only last against 4-10 ships depending on their size and model.

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by 404

How about this, you get a Superdreadnaught hull, I think a Haven one because they are larger, and strip everything out of it except a habitat for a small crew, point defense weapons, a powerplant (smaller, without weapons on the ship) and an engine. In place of all those weapons and decks and crews you load it up with bomb-pumped lasers, this time, larger models that pack more of a punch, each with a rocket pack on it. The bomb pumped lasers swarm around your superdreadnaught hull, and when the enemy comes in range, the bomb pumped lasers blast off as fast as possible, detonate, and rip the enemy to shreds. This, however, would only last against 4-10 ships depending on their size and model.

Shipboard Grazers have a range of several hundred thousand through sidewalls, X-Ray lasers warheads have ranges of only around 20,000 Km. Shipboard Grazers have 20 to 30 times the range and can be used multiple times.

[404]

Originally Posted by Desert Fox

Shipboard Grazers have a range of several hundred thousand through sidewalls, X-Ray lasers warheads have ranges of only around 20,000 Km. Shipboard Grazers have 20 to 30 times the range and can be used multiple times.

All right, all right, how about having drones each armed with a single graser and a normal laser for point defense. As many as possible, and not bomb-pumped.

[404]

How about this, take a superdreadnaught, but instead of loading it down with numerous weapons, give it one big ass graser, along with point defense

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by 404

All right, all right, how about having drones each armed with a single graser and a normal laser for point defense. As many as possible, and not bomb-pumped.

The drones need to have a power supply to uspport the graser. A better option is jut to build LACs and operate like a very large carrier. The SShrike class is effectively built around a large graser.

Originally Posted by 404

How about this, take a superdreadnaught, but instead of loading it down with numerous weapons, give it one big ass graser, along with point defense.

You only have one shot and you are limited to a spinal mount. Before the introduction of bow and stern walls, they were unprotected as well. Becauser of surface area, most of the firepower is on the sides.

[404]

Originally Posted by Desert Fox

The drones need to have a power supply to uspport the graser. A better option is jut to build LACs and operate like a very large carrier. The SShrike class is effectively built around a large graser.



You only have one shot and you are limited to a spinal mount. Before the introduction of bow and stern walls, they were unprotected as well. Becauser of surface area, most of the firepower is on the sides.

LACs?
Yeah, that sounds better. How about instead of a bomb pumped laser, you get a bomb pumped graser? would that work?

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by 404

LACs?
Yeah, that sounds better. How about instead of a bomb pumped laser, you get a bomb pumped graser? would that work?

I suspect if it is possible, the cost to effect is simply too much. There are stationary graser mounts (they were used in the defenses around Hades - a prison planet) but they they are not bomb powered.

edit: LAC = Light Attack Craft - they are small craft but still powerful enough to damage larger craft unlike smaller craft. They are not FTL capable but teh latest generation are something like half the size of a pre-war destroyer. There are carriers for the ship and they are treated alot like fighters.

[404]

O, I guess that mounting them on LACs would be better, kind of like gunship carriers that the 'Bahgs' used in the Starfire novels (take a monitor hull, larger than superdreadnaught, strip away most weapons and load it with gunships, very annoying to Task Force 57).

[Desert Fox]

Originally Posted by 404

O, I guess that mounting them on LACs would be better, kind of like gunship carriers that the 'Bahgs' used in the Starfire novels (take a monitor hull, larger than superdreadnaught, strip away most weapons and load it with gunships, very annoying to Task Force 57).

They already do that, each Shrike LAC has a battlecruiser class graser as its main energy weaponry.