Create your own fleet

[WarriorclanX]

ok i got bored and want to see what fleets you can come up with, now there are restrictions to how many ships you can have and they are as follows:

1 command ship (eg. SSD, Victory)
20 main line ships (Omegas, Galaxy, Sharlin, ISD etc.)
30 lighter ships (stream runners, hyperions, caraacks)
40 escorts (Defiant, Nebulon-B, Olympus)
15 carriers (akira)
8 more prototype ships (prometheus, Warlock)
2 ships of combined tech (omega X, your creation)
10 extra squadrons of fighters (X-Wings, tac fighters, Nials)

also you can not have more then 3 types of the same ships unless you can not think of anything else.

please keep it to main line Sci-Fi like: the big 3, BG, SAaB, Andromada.

so have fun your fleet can be any kind from planetary defense to assualt and run it is your choice

[Shortie]

I'll keep it relatively low-key and big 3 to be more interesting.

1 command ship: Has to be an Eclipse.
20 main line ships 4 Victorys, 8 Allegiance SDs, 8 Sovereigns.
30 lighter ships 2 Interdictors, 12 Sagittarius Missile Cruisers, 12 Whitestars, 4 Vor'has.
40 escorts 12 Defiants, 16 Lancers, 12 Nebulon-Gs.
15 carriers 8 Akiras, 6 Poseidons, 1 SW Sovereign ()
8 more prototype ships 8 Warlocks.
2 ships of combined tech 2 large cruisers basically combining all the neat tech from the big 3, it's fairly obvious what.
10 extra squadrons of fighters Nials just to add interest.

Reasonably multi-purpose. The heavies watch the sides and rear of the ESSD, while the lighter ships use warp and Thrawn pincers to jump into the enemy rear.

[Robert Walper]

Just one Borg cube. Could easily take on three or four Eclipse Star Destroyers before recieving any damage. Could take on several hundred ISDs without any problems.

[Kittyburger]

1 command ship - Easily Eclipse-class commandship.
20 main line ships - 8 Plunkett-class capital cruisers, 8 Allegiance-class star destroyers, 4 Home One-class star cruisers
30 lighter ships - 10 each Tallahassee-class light cruisers, MC-40 class destroyers and Dreadnaught-class frigates
40 escorts - 10 Sheffield-class destroyers; 10 Caernaven-class guided missile frigates, 20 Intrepid-class light explorers
15 carriers 5 each Bengal, Confederation and Vesuvius-class.
8 more prototype ships - 6 Hades-class fast cruisers, two Behemoth-class Dreadnoughts
2 ships of combined tech - Behemoths loaded to the gills with Federation, Imperial and B5 tech
10 extra squadrons of fighters - YF-103A Excaliburs

[Kittyburger]

The whole thing with carriers is a joke. The Confederation Vesuvius-class heavy carrier carries FOUR HUNDRED fighters. Given that a carrier's prime mission is to carry and launch aircraft, that should be a no-brainer.

[Shortie]

Originally posted by Iceberg3k
The whole thing with carriers is a joke. The Confederation Vesuvius-class heavy carrier carries FOUR HUNDRED fighters. Given that a carrier's prime mission is to carry and launch aircraft, that should be a no-brainer.

I did think about bringing in WC, but the fleet was running out of space already.

And 3 of 5, don't be silly.
Seriously, an ESSD would smack a cube with ease. 2-6 ISDs could take one IMO.

[darkjediwouldbe]

1 command ship: Eclipse class SSD
20 main line ships: 20 ISD's
30 lighter ships: 15 SW dreadnought, 15 war galaxies
40 escorts: 20 Defiants, 20 Correlian crusiers
15 carriers: 15 more ISD's (hey their multi-role)
8 more prototype ships: 8 promethues
2 ships of combined tech: 1 promethus with the abaltaive armor, star wars HTL's using the trek prefect accuracy. 1 ISD with say 100 phaser strips and a phase cloak.
10 extra squadrons of fighters: Without a doubt, Tie defenders. remote controlled hyperspace ramming. MUHAHAHAHA

Third of Five, what is it you are smoking? 1 eclipse could smack down a cube so damn easily it's not funny. Fire the superlaser, and the cube isn't a cube anymore, it's not even floating debris.. 2 ISD's can take down a Cube with some damage to the ISD's, 100 ISD's would smiply blow it up instantly. 6 Would get away without any scrathes from a single cube, and the cube would be gone. Compelty and totaly gone.

[Robert Walper]

Originally posted by Shortie


I did think about bringing in WC, but the fleet was running out of space already.

And 3 of 5, don't be silly.
Seriously, an ESSD would smack a cube with ease. 2-6 ISDs could take one IMO.

Wondered when someone would notice. I had a flame retardant suit on just in case.

Seriously thought, I think even an ESSD would be pressed to destroy a Borg cube. Unless the Borg cube entered the fire arc of it's super laser, the Borg could cause some massive damage. And even if it were destroyed, beaming drones onto the ship would create chaoes, especially if they took over the computer system, something they couldn't stop with the speed Cmdr. Data did...

As to ISDs, I don't consider them powerful enough to destroy a Borg cube unless in numbers greater than five, and even then its not certain. Especially considering it takes 1/10 of the power to destroy a planet to destroy a Borg cube or seriously damage it, and even then they were adapting partially.

[Renewed Valor]

1 command ship:
Glorious Heritage Cruiser

20 Main lines:
5 Sovereigns
5 DSXs
3 Galaxies
2 ISD Is
3 ISD IIs
2 Victory's Crucible Drop Ships


30 lighter:
9 DSAs
9 Nebulas (Light enough or need lighter)
9 GDFs (Group Defense Frigates)
3 Interdictors
15 Carriers:
8 Akiras
7 Siege Perilous I Atmospheric Attack Carriers

8 Prototypes:
8 Prometheus Class

2 Ships Combined Tech:
1 Glorious Heritage Cruiser and 1 Siege Perilous II Destroyer w/
- Refit with Federation and Imperial Sensors (Refit sensor drones)
- ELS tubes are refit to fire Quantum Torpedoes
- Combined Imperial/Federation shields.
- 4 AP guns replaced with Point Singularity Projectors
- Warp Drive

Fighter Squadrons:
5 Tac Fighter
3 Shrike Strike Fighter Wing
2 Centaur Tactical Fighter Wing


Mission is general purpose:
-Heavy on fleet to fleet combat.
- High Guard ships stand off and Hammer the enemy
- All the other ships including the two refit High Guard ships close and fight at closer range.

-Planetfall Warfare:
- More limited but still a good capability considering the Victory Drop ships, atmospheric fighter carriers, XMCs, and ISDs.

Raiding Operations:
-Leave the Federation Starships home and the Imp and High Guard vessels can dance right around causing serious trouble for an enemy.

Mass Destruction:
- Two Words: Nova Bombs!
- And the High Guard and Imperial Vessels have enough firepower to really bombard a planet.

1st Mission: Wipe out the Borg

[darkjediwouldbe]

Excuse me, since when doe sit take 1/10 the power to destroy a planet to destroy a Borg cube? I think you just made up some major bull. So the Enterprise D can now destroy a planet in 3 blasts right? as it did 30% damage to a cube in one phaser blast.

1 ISD is almost capable of taking down a cube. 2 wouldn't have to much trouble, and 3-4 would be slighty hard. 5 would have an easy time. 10 would be a cake walk.

[Slacker]

Ok Third of Five, now you're just smoking something...
Seriously, now...hrm...
Command Ship
(As much as I'd like to use the URS Venture from my universe, think that's a tad out of bounds so...)
One Fifth Imperium Asgerd class planetiod: HIMP Dahak
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Twenty Mainline Ships:
Two (2) Manticore/Grayson SDs: GNS Benjamin the Great, HMS Rodger Winton
Three (3) Medusa class SD(P): HMS Bellisarius, HMS Agrippa, HMS Chimera
Four (4) Soverign class starships: USS Enterprise, USS Venture, USS Nelson, USS Liberator
Two (2) Republic class Star Destroyers: Gallant, Emancipator
Four (4) MC90 Mon Calamari Star Cruisers: Startide, Defender, Starfire, Stalwart
Two (2) Omega class Destroyers: EAS Woad Raider, EAS Gladiator
Three (3) Nightlord class Battleships: SLS Kerensky's Vengeance, SLS Sword of the League, SLS Cameron's Dream
----
Thirty Light Ships
Six Edward Saganami class heavy cruisers
Four Avalon class missile cruisers
Five Nebula class starships
Five Hyperion class cruisers
Five Vree battle saucers
Five Plunkett class cruisers

Forty Escorts
Ten Defiant class monitors
Ten Shefield class destroyers
Five Corellian Corvettes
Five Fox class corvettes
Ten Nebulon-B class escort frigates

Fifteen carriers
Ten Concordia class fleet carriers
Two Akira class starships
One Thera class heavy carrier
Two Posiedon class carriers

Eight Prototypes
Four Warlock class destroyers: Spellbinder, Necromancer, Archmage, Cleric
Four Prometheus class starships: Prometheus, Icarus, Argonaut, Hercules

Two combined technology ships incorporating Honorverse gravitic propulsion, WC phase shields, Battletech drop ships and fighters, hyperspace capability, and other various goodies.

Eight Additional fighter squadrons:
Two squadrons of Vampire class Space Superiority fighters
Two squadrons of Eisensturm class Assault Fighters
Two squadrons of Kirghiz class Assault OmniFighters
Two Squadrons of Federation Tactical fighters

(I basically tried to balance this out...Honorverse ships can kill most in the big three, which is why I took alot of Battletech and lower tech B5 ships to compensate)

Universes used:
Fifth Imperium
Honorverse
Wing Commander
Battletech
Star Wars
Star Trek
Babylon 5

[Kittyburger]

Originally posted by Renewed Valor
15 Carriers:
8 Akiras
7 Siege Perilous I Atmospheric Attack Carriers

[/b]

8 Akiras, are you NUTS? A single Vesuvius-class heavy carrier has the same carrier capacity as half that force. Akiras are better as heavy cruisers than as carriers for the purposes of this thread.

[Robert Walper]

Originally posted by darkjediwouldbe
Excuse me, since when doe sit take 1/10 the power to destroy a planet to destroy a Borg cube?

Rough calculations. Since ten Species 8472 ships can destroy an entire planet with their primary weaponry, and it takes more then four shots to destroy a cube by one bioship, it makes sense. This evidence is from STVOY "Scorpion". When Janeway is aboard the Borg cube, it is hit three or four times by the primary weapon of a bioship. And even more incredibly, it repairs that damage very quickly and then gets hit by planetary debris being blown off the surface of the crumbling planet. Then it tows Voyager away during the explosion, with all damage repaired and fully functional.

I think you just made up some major bull.

I did not. Just simply took facts and interpreted them in a way I feel is correct.

So the Enterprise D can now destroy a planet in 3 blasts right? as it did 30% damage to a cube in one phaser blast.

So 30% of a 3km cubic vessel destroyed translates as destroying a planet? You've lost me...

1 ISD is almost capable of taking down a cube.

No evidence and I find it hardly likely. That's like saying an ISD could take on an entire Federation fleet and expect to win.

2 wouldn't have to much trouble, and 3-4 would be slighty hard. 5 would have an easy time. 10 would be a cake walk.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions...it's just that mine are correct.

[Slacker]

Fine...So I glass you with (Say it with me now kids)
10,000 230 ton warheads traveling at .8c...Assimilate THAT Kinetic energy, chip head!

[darkjediwouldbe]

You claim that a borg cube can withstand 1/10 of the power needed to blow up a planet. The E-D took out 30% of the borg's cube in 1 phaser blast. Using your reasoning that would mean 3 to 4 phaser blasts could take out a planet.

Your using the infamous formation that 8472 to used to combine weapons power to destroy the planet. Did you fail to notice that the ship in the center was much larger, and of a different design than the ships surronding it, do you know how much it contrabitied to the Blast?

A borg cube can not withstand 1/10 of the power needed to destroy a planet. Unless you want to say that the fleet that destroyed the Cube in FC was somehow capable of destroying planets? Your "reasoning" is flawed, your interpertation is wrong and your making up quite a lot of bull.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions...it's just that mine are correct.

Exactly why are yours correct? An ISD can slag the surface of a planet. Armed with hundreds of weapons that the weakest form of can destroy large asteriods in a tenth of a second.

I think yours are wrong. Someone else agree's with mine. So exactly EXPLAIN why yours are correct.

So basicly untill you can back up your claim of

Just one Borg cube. Could easily take on three or four Eclipse Star Destroyers before recieving any damage. Could take on several hundred ISDs without any problems.

That looks like quite a lot of bull shit to me. So what are you smoking, and give me some it looks like your on a very very big high right now.

[d00m$day]

1 Command Ship - Voth Cityship
20 Main Line Ships - 10 Galaxy-X's, 3 Dominion Battleships, 4 Sovereigns, 3 Negh'Vars
30 Light Ships - 15 Dominion Battlecruisers, 10 Whitestars, 5 Vor'chas
40 Escorts - 40 Defiants
15 Carriers - 5 Vesuvius-class carriers, 10 Concordia-class carriers
8 Prototypes - 8 Prometheus
2 Combined Tech Ships - The best of each universe.

[Kittyburger]

Originally posted by d00m$day
1 Command Ship - Voth Cityship
20 Main Line Ships - 10 Galaxy-X's, 3 Dominion Battleships, 4 Sovereigns, 3 Negh'Vars
30 Light Ships - 15 Dominion Battlecruisers, 10 Whitestars, 5 Vor'chas
40 Escorts - 40 Defiants
15 Carriers - 5 Vesuvius-class carriers, 10 Concordia-class carriers
8 Prototypes - 8 Prometheus
2 Combined Tech Ships - The best of each universe.

If I had made this thread, I would have limited the ships usable to those that we've seen enough to make some solid conclusions on. Which would rule out the Voth Cityship and Galaxy X. I'd also take the larger and newer Confederation-class heavy carriers over the prewar Concordia-class, because the Confederation-class can carry more fighters and has better ship-to-ship abilities if it gets directly attaked.

[Renewed Valor]

Originally posted by Iceberg3k
8 Akiras, are you NUTS? A single Vesuvius-class heavy carrier has the same carrier capacity as half that force. Akiras are better as heavy cruisers than as carriers for the purposes of this thread. [/B]

That's why I included them for their Heavy Cruiser firepower. The GDFs are more than capable of killing any fighters that happen to wander in too close.

[EmperorSolo]

Originally posted by WarriorclanX
ok i got bored and want to see what fleets you can come up with, now there are restrictions to how many ships you can have and they are as follows:

1 command ship (eg. SSD, Victory)
20 main line ships (Omegas, Galaxy, Sharlin, ISD etc.)
30 lighter ships (stream runners, hyperions, caraacks)
40 escorts (Defiant, Nebulon-B, Olympus)
15 carriers (akira)
8 more prototype ships (prometheus, Warlock)
2 ships of combined tech (omega X, your creation)
10 extra squadrons of fighters (X-Wings, tac fighters, Nials)

also you can not have more then 3 types of the same ships unless you can not think of anything else.

please keep it to main line Sci-Fi like: the big 3, BG, SAaB, Andromada.

so have fun your fleet can be any kind from planetary defense to assualt and run it is your choice

Heres my fleet
Command Ship: Eclipse class Super Star Destroyer
Capital Ships: 10 ISDs, 10 Omega Destroyers
Light Ships: 10 Tinashi War frigates, 10 Hyperions, 10 Nebulon-B frigates
Carriers: 15 Mobile Doll Carriers
Proto Type ships: 5 Galaxy-X 3 Defiants
Combined Tech Ships: OZ Heavy Destroyer
Specs for OZ heavy destroyer.
Weapons: 20 Turbo Laser Batteries
fighters: Carries 6 squadrons of Taurus class mobile suits and 4 squadrons Thunderbolt class starfuries.
Shielding:imperial Shielding tech
FTL drives: B5 hyperspace

Omega X mk II
the only difference btween the O-x and the O-x mk II is that instead of shadow weapons and tech it has vorlon weapons and tech.
extra fightere squadrons: 5 Squadrons of Thunder bolts, 4 2/3 squadrons of Taurus Mobile suits, 1 Tallgeese II MS

note: Yeah i know didnt follow the rules of the the fleet a bit but this is more my style of a fleet. Not Even the borg could assimilate it!!

[SAMAS]

1 command ship: The Tsunami(j/k)
Seriously, I would just use the SDF-1Macross, which helps with a small civillian enclave for recruiting and recreation.
20 main line ships: 10 ISDs, 5 Zentaedi Rineunadou Lojmeuean-class Monitors, 5 Omegas
30 lighter ships: 20 REF Ikazuchi-class Heavy Cruisers, 10 REF Neutron-S missiles
40 escorts 20 Defiant-class escourts, 10 Garfish-class light cruisers.
15 carriers: Zentraedi Quiltra Queleual-class Landing ships
8 more prototype ships: 8 SDF-3 Pioneer-class Superdimensional Fortesses
2 ships of combined tech: 2 Shadow-enhanced Zentraedi Flagships
10 extra squadrons of fighters: 10 squadrons of Taurus Mobile Suits(All with Beam Cannons).

Fighters:
Alpha-Beta Veritech Legios units,
Queadlaunn-Rau Female Power Armor
AMS-119 Geara Doga Mobile Suits

[SSD Dark Tide I]

(Sorry about having a lot of the same type of ship but I've only seen Star Wars and Babylon 5 and only a few more )

Command Ship:
Executor-Class Star Destroyer Dark Tide I

Main Line:
2 Soverign-Class Star Destroyers Soverign-Group
4 Star Dreadnaught-Class Vorlon Ships Dread-Group
4 Victory-Class Destroyers Victory-Group
10 Imperial II-Class Star Destroyers Imperial-Group

Escorts:
20 White Star-Class Moniters White Star-Group

Prototypes:
1 Death Star Prototype* Space Balls I

Combined:

1 Eclipse-X-Class Star Destroyer Nanor
1 Bio-Eclipse-Class Vorlon/SD Bioc

Fighter Squadrons:

2 Vorlon Fighter Squadrons
2 Spitfire Fighter Squadrons
2 B-Wing Fighter Squadrons
4 X-Wing Fighter Squadrons


*With regular DS targeting system

[Kittyburger]

Originally posted by Renewed Valor


That's why I included them for their Heavy Cruiser firepower. The GDFs are more than capable of killing any fighters that happen to wander in too close.

The Akiras have a hell of a lot of power, but that's what makes them bad (or at best mediocre) carriers. All that power is going to tempt the captain to rush into the middle of the fray, which is exactly where a carrier SHOULDN'T be going. After all, if a carrier dashes into a battle and gets destroyed, or loses its flight deck, you've got a hundred or more planes that just lost their ride home...

"If you let the enemy get within range of your carrier, you deserve to lose it."

[Robert Walper]

Originally posted by darkjediwouldbe
You claim that a borg cube can withstand 1/10 of the power needed to blow up a planet.

Yes.

The E-D took out 30% of the borg's cube in 1 phaser blast.

Yes.

Using your reasoning that would mean 3 to 4 phaser blasts could take out a planet.

How does destroying a percentage of a Borg cube compare to destroying a planet? The Borg hadn't adapted to the phasers yet, so of course they were effective.

Your using the infamous formation that 8472 to used to combine weapons power to destroy the planet. Did you fail to notice that the ship in the center was much larger, and of a different design than the ships surronding it, do you know how much it contrabitied to the Blast?

From what I recall, the center Sp8472 ship was the same as the others. I need proof visually. Until I get it, I can't agree with you. If it is proven that the center ship was different in size and deisgn, I'll agree.

A borg cube can not withstand 1/10 of the power needed to destroy a planet. Unless you want to say that the fleet that destroyed the Cube in FC was somehow capable of destroying planets?

Not at all. And there is no evidence what so ever of the Fed fleet overwhelming the Borg's ability to absorb damage. They simply had their weaponry set to remodulating frequencies to get by the defenses. You can see it plainly in the battle, some ships affected it, others did not.

Your "reasoning" is flawed, your interpertation is wrong and your making up quite a lot of bull.

I'm not making up anything. I'm weighing facts and giving my interpretations.

Exactly why are yours correct?

That was a joke. You must have missed the smiley face...I wasn't being serious on that point.

An ISD can slag the surface of a planet.

Probably from some novel...and it's not canon. I'm debating canon here, not novels.

Armed with hundreds of weapons that the weakest form of can destroy large asteriods in a tenth of a second.

A) No proof that the ISD was using it's weakest weapon, could have been using it's most powerful one
B) ISD never seen firing hundreds of TLs in any engagement, including Endor, their biggest bttle action ever seen that would have used such a tactic

I think yours are wrong. Someone else agree's with mine. So exactly EXPLAIN why yours are correct.

That's what I'm trying...

So basicly untill you can back up your claim of

That looks like quite a lot of bull shit to me. So what are you smoking, and give me some it looks like your on a very very big high right now.

I think you misinterpreted alot of my post, mainly the humor parts of it.

[WarriorclanX]

my god my thread as turned in to a borg fire ower kinda thing

[CaptainSheridan]

1 command ship: Eclipse
20 main line ships: 20 vorlon dreadnoughts (DUH!)
30 lighter ships: 20 white stars
40 escortsL 40 Defiant
15 carriers: 9 akira, 6 sovereign(SW)
8 more prototype ships: 4 prometheus, 4 Warlock
2 ships of combined tech: bio Eclipse-X (vorlon, shadow tech), Andromeda with SW,ST shields, vorlon armour, shadow slicers.
10 extra squadrons of fighters: Tie-Defenders, 181st pilots