Culture vs Photino Birds

Shrike · Jun 28th 2001, 9:56pm

After reading 'Vacuum Diagrams' (I just got it today, woohoo!) and specifically the epilogue, I wondered if it would be possible for the Culture to defeat the Photino birds, or alternatively find an end to the war between the Photinos and the Baryon-dwellers?

septesix · Jun 29th 2001, 7:45am

FIght the Birds? Well, first off, they only interact with baryonic matter via gravity, therefore, only linegun and displaced mini hole can be used against them. (Forget Effectors or Gridfire..)

In a straight fight, it's very hard to say, we didn't see enough of Photino Birds. Their weapon is stated to be able to penetrate even the best of the Xeelee defense. They also vastly outnumbered Xeelee, who in turn also outnumbered Culture.

However, The Birds and Culture might actually peacefully co-exist together. Since any GSV can easily host thousands upon thousands of people, and Culture has the ability to construct a lot more of those GSV, they don't really need the sun. Let the Birds have their Jovin mini-gravity well and supernove, while We Culture can live an easy , if a bit nomadic life.

However, if the "fundamantal sturggle between the Barynoic and Photion matter" really exist, then wars might eventually break out, and the Whole universe would lay in ruin. (That, or Culture sublime , or find the exession pops up out of no where..)

Contemplator · Jun 29th 2001, 5:45pm

The photino birds don't really have a weapon.
When ever they come in contact with a deep gravity well, they interact with baryonic matter. They use the energy of the gravity well to reproduce. In doing so, they also take some of the heat energy from the gravity well. When this happens on the large scale(say 1,000,000 times every second) you start to reduce the core temperature of the gravity well. This is what caused the stars to go nova. The fusion reaction stopped, the star collasped and the pressure caused it to start again briefly, blowing off the outer layer(in doing so, destroying everything in the star system inside the orbit of Mars in a sol type system)

**victorhadin** · Jun 29th 2001, 5:52pm

Ah, but they do have weapons. As firmly mentioned in Vacuum Diagrams, the birds utilised gravity to break The Ring, and later on to construct huge structures from the stars and superclusters.

But too little is known to make an accurate comparison, other than the Birds thrashed the Xeelee, and entirely outnumber the Culture.

Jun 29th 2001, 5:45pm	#3
Contemplator Reader of Readables Join Date: 19 May 2001 Location: Suffolk, NY Posts: 1,974	The photino birds don't really have a weapon. When ever they come in contact with a deep gravity well, they interact with baryonic matter. They use the energy of the gravity well to reproduce. In doing so, they also take some of the heat energy from the gravity well. When this happens on the large scale(say 1,000,000 times every second) you start to reduce the core temperature of the gravity well. This is what caused the stars to go nova. The fusion reaction stopped, the star collasped and the pressure caused it to start again briefly, blowing off the outer layer(in doing so, destroying everything in the star system inside the orbit of Mars in a sol type system) __________________ "I WILL PUT IT IN THE MAILBOX AND THEN, IN THREE DAYS, AS IF BY MAGIC, AS IF PIXIES RIDING CRICKETS SPRINKLED FAIRY DUST ON IT, IT WILL APPEAR IN YOUR MAILBOX" - Izzy Member of the Cult of Weber; By 1634, one of the proudest and most useful possesions of the Jesuit Order was a 1988 World Almanac and Book of Facts. Friedrich von Spee had found it in a box at a yard sale and sent it directly to Rome.- 1634 The Bavarian Crisis

Jun 29th 2001, 5:52pm	#4
victorhadin BRING ON THE TRUMPETS!! Moderati Join Date: 22 Jun 2001 Location: BRING ON THE TRUMPETS!!! Posts: 3,953	Ah, but they do have weapons. As firmly mentioned in Vacuum Diagrams, the birds utilised gravity to break The Ring, and later on to construct huge structures from the stars and superclusters. But too little is known to make an accurate comparison, other than the Birds thrashed the Xeelee, and entirely outnumber the Culture. __________________ Shock discovery: Marmite not always wonderful!

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Jun 29th 2001, 7:45am	#2
septesix Registered Join Date: 24 Mar 2000 Location: W38th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, Posts: 1,074	FIght the Birds? Well, first off, they only interact with baryonic matter via gravity, therefore, only linegun and displaced mini hole can be used against them. (Forget Effectors or Gridfire..) In a straight fight, it's very hard to say, we didn't see enough of Photino Birds. Their weapon is stated to be able to penetrate even the best of the Xeelee defense. They also vastly outnumbered Xeelee, who in turn also outnumbered Culture. However, The Birds and Culture might actually peacefully co-exist together. Since any GSV can easily host thousands upon thousands of people, and Culture has the ability to construct a lot more of those GSV, they don't really need the sun. Let the Birds have their Jovin mini-gravity well and supernove, while We Culture can live an easy , if a bit nomadic life. However, if the "fundamantal sturggle between the Barynoic and Photion matter" really exist, then wars might eventually break out, and the Whole universe would lay in ruin. (That, or Culture sublime , or find the exession pops up out of no where..)

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