Dalek Mothership vs Borg Tactical Cube

SmugsUK · Oct 29th 2005, 5:54am

In a fight between a Dalek Mother ship(with emperor Dalek) from Dr Who the current series vs a Borg Tactical Cube with the chick from First contact.

So whats the out come.

1) Ship to ship only
2) Daleks invading the Borg cube
3) Borgs invading the Dalek mothership
4) All of the above at the same time

B5B7 · Oct 29th 2005, 7:35am

About the ship-to-ship matchup I'm not sure - though the daleks due to the emperor dalek survived the time war & they're a galactic power, so I imagine the ship could be very advanced.
On a dalek-to-borg basis the daleks really rock - I recall that one dalek, that thought it was the last dalek, had some sort of control over power systems and pretty heavy weaponry and its defenses were awesome.

kietotheworld · Oct 29th 2005, 8:32am

The last guy that touched a Dalek burst into flames. Dalek Battlecruisers can destroy planets, their bombs melted continents.

the .303 bookwo · Oct 29th 2005, 8:56am

You mean the ship isn't using it's standard perfect time travel?
Also according to Who in the episode where the Daleks invaded the earth, one cruiser would be able to crack a planet open like an egg, and far higher (Cghain reaction galaxy destroying) weaponry has been known.

GrandArchailect · Oct 30th 2005, 5:31am

10 million Dalek ships were a threat to the entire universe, including the Timelords. The entire Borg fleet were a possible threat to one galaxy, although they could be held back by an alliance of less advanced races.

Vowelless · Oct 31st 2005, 9:23am

The Daleks should win in scenario 2, assuming they know about the strengths and weaknesses of Borg: IIRC, in one episode, it was strongly implied that 1000 Daleks was enough to conquer a planet, and I would assume that the Daleks would quickly learn to randomise the power output of their blasters so as to deny the Borg the opportunity to adapt to it (it's implied that Dalek guns do have variable power settings- the Timelord RPG notes that Dalek guns have a stun setting, just that it's hardly ever used.

Ladiesman · Oct 31st 2005, 10:26am

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Originally Posted by GrandArchailect

10 million Dalek ships were a threat to the entire universe, including the Timelords. The entire Borg fleet were a possible threat to one galaxy, although they could be held back by an alliance of less advanced races.

The Borg have/had operations in going in several galactic clusters, and a few alternate dimensions.....

Shortie · Oct 31st 2005, 11:15am

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Originally Posted by Ladiesman

The Borg have/had operations in going in several galactic clusters, and a few alternate dimensions.....

A galactic cluster is not a cluster of galaxies, it's a real term for a particular type of star cluster. And the one time they went into another dimension they got owned.

Daleks win because their voices are way cooler. Especially the Emperor Dalek.

Ladiesman · Oct 31st 2005, 11:18am

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Originally Posted by Shortie

A galactic cluster is not a cluster of galaxies, it's a real term for a particular type of star cluster. And the one time they went into another dimension they got owned.

They've done the other galaxy thing, too. Throughout Voyager, Seven on Nine mentions several places they've gone. And, they've gone to at least a few different dimesnions, as well (beyond Fluidic Space).

murtalianconfed · Nov 1st 2005, 2:12am

You're suggesting that the Borg can defeat the Daleks?

Please pass whatever you're smoking, its extremely powerful stuff.

The Daleks threatened the Time Lords. The Time War destroyed entire civilisations, and you think a Borg cube can defeat a Dalek mothership?

Jack Fetch · Nov 1st 2005, 5:11am

And of course the Daleks appear to be getting more powerful and cooler as the series progresses (and they were pretty damn funky to begin with) whilst the Borg...

B5B7 · Nov 1st 2005, 7:03am

One race of cyborgs declinels, another cyborg race rises - thus nature balances itself.
I'll be also looking forward to the revamped cybermen in Dr Who.

Shortie · Nov 1st 2005, 10:21am

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Originally Posted by Ladiesman

They've done the other galaxy thing, too. Throughout Voyager, Seven on Nine mentions several places they've gone. And, they've gone to at least a few different dimesnions, as well (beyond Fluidic Space).

Okay, I don't remember that (I must have blotted it out).

What were the exact quotes?

Loknar · Nov 1st 2005, 10:29am

I'd also like to know how you assimilate a Dalek when its bullet-vaporising shield would turn any nanoprobes (or Borg arms) into space dust :P ...? As the Borg do not invent but assimilate, the only way they could have a chance would be if they managed to assimilate a Dalek ship (ie not the Daleks themselves - see above) and use its technology. Of course from what I've heard about Dalek ships, that might not be very easy :P ...

communistx · Jan 29th 2006, 1:20pm

They might ask the mechanoids how to destroy daleks or go back in time and assimilate the mechanoids and come back and kick dalek arse or assimilate mantrid if that did not work or even the lexx.

kietotheworld · Jan 29th 2006, 2:22pm

Old thread bumping = Bad. Especially with an argument like that. The mechanoids beat '60s Daleks on home territory. Those Daleks were a lot less powerful than the ones being discussed in this thread.

The Dalek mothership in Remembrance of the Daleks was capable of cracking open the Earth like an egg. The Daleks have been seen to travel in time far better than the Borg have, chasing down a TARDIS with ease. That was the same Daleks which were defeated by Mechanoids.

Would a Mechanoid even fit into the corridors of a Cube?

B5B7 · Jan 30th 2006, 3:53am

The Doctor called the Daleks master technicians - they basically have the capability to absorb technologies - hence constantly inventing new machines and weapons - such as SIDRATs (time machines - probably created simply from some basic knowledge of Time Lord tech - basically daleks found out time travel is possible, so therefore daleks then able to create it).

When I say they can absorb technologies - I do not mean in Borg sense, but that daleks only need a merest hint that a thing is possible for them to be able to actually build a machine to do it.

Daleks are innovative, Borg seem pretty technologically static - though do have some advanced tech like the travel conduits.

kietotheworld · Jan 30th 2006, 5:42am

SIDRATs?

Don't you mean DARDISes? That was the unofficial name given to the Dalek time machine in The Chase.

communistx · Jan 30th 2006, 6:48am

They would have to be mini mechanoids, I'm positive that the borg could do this though I am straying from the point a bit. The argument really was about Dallek ship and borg cube and as it stands no doubt the dallek ship would indeed destroy the borg cube. However, if the borg were to assimilate and incorperate Lexx technology into the borg cube the dallek ship would be finnished off in seconds don't you think?

StarSpawn · Jan 30th 2006, 7:12am

?Mechanoids?? as in Palladium universe (If it's bi-pedal eksterminate it..) Mechanoids??

kietotheworld · Jan 30th 2006, 8:01am

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Originally Posted by StarSpawn

?Mechanoids?? as in Palladium universe (If it's bi-pedal eksterminate it..) Mechanoids??

No, Mechanoids from Dr. Who, only appeared in one TV story and a novel or Audio (I forget which).

I don't see how the Borg could assimilate the Lexx, since they aren't in the same stroy universe as it. And even if they were, a ship as powerful as the Lexx seems to be (I've only read the Wiki article) would surely not be assimilated by a Cube.

communistx · Jan 30th 2006, 8:18am

no not the lexx ---- lexx technology ----- and also do you remember how the dalleks were destroyed in one of the 2 films with PETER CUSHINE as the doctor ------ with magnetic force of earth --- did they ever get over that? well I suppose the borg could use this to there advantage destroying the daleks of the past with a simple atom bomb telleported {transported)to the the center of the dalek planet. no more Dr Who episodes and the mechanoids reign.

B5B7 · Jan 30th 2006, 8:32am

There are actual episodes based on same events as in the movies.
These (both episodes & movies) feature the daleks in their early days, when they hadn't yet developed as a major threat, yet even at that early stage they had the capability to turn whole planets into spaceships - this was their plan for earth - to insert an engine in it and move it around.

The daleks have greater mastery of time travel than Borg ever did or could - so much so that the daleks ended up challenging the masters of time travel - the Time Lords.
I liked the mechanoids but they were only a minor robotic species on one planet.

One atomic bomb at centre of a planet [not that Borg could do this anyway] won't do much. When daleks were on Skaro they thrived on atomic radiation - and later Skaro WAS destroyed, but daleks had spread through space and time.

Daleks had many victories and many defeats - which they bounced back from.

SmugsUK · Jan 30th 2006, 8:52am

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Originally Posted by communistx

no not the lexx ---- lexx technology ----- and also do you remember how the dalleks were destroyed in one of the 2 films with PETER CUSHINE as the doctor ------ with magnetic force of earth --- did they ever get over that? well I suppose the borg could use this to there advantage destroying the daleks of the past with a simple atom bomb telleported {transported)to the the center of the dalek planet. no more Dr Who episodes and the mechanoids reign.

I don't count and im sure alot of others either dont count the Cushing films as cannon related to the TV show, yes it has daleks and the TARDIS but its a different Dr Who ie he is Human for a start and not alien, I would put those films in a seperate Universe.

kietotheworld · Jan 30th 2006, 9:08am

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Originally Posted by communistx

no not the lexx ---- lexx technology ----- and also do you remember how the dalleks were destroyed in one of the 2 films with PETER CUSHINE as the doctor ------ with magnetic force of earth --- did they ever get over that? well I suppose the borg could use this to there advantage destroying the daleks of the past with a simple atom bomb telleported {transported)to the the center of the dalek planet. no more Dr Who episodes and the mechanoids reign.

The Dalek Home Planet was destroyed in 1963 by a Supernova.

What Lexx are you talking about? If it's the same one as in this then it's not an option for The Borg, since the Lexx is set in a different universe.

Oct 29th 2005, 5:54am	#1
SmugsUK Jibba Jabba Join Date: 14 Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 692	Dalek Mothership vs Borg Tactical Cube In a fight between a Dalek Mother ship(with emperor Dalek) from Dr Who the current series vs a Borg Tactical Cube with the chick from First contact. So whats the out come. 1) Ship to ship only 2) Daleks invading the Borg cube 3) Borgs invading the Dalek mothership 4) All of the above at the same time __________________ Quote from Red Dwarf Cat: What are we waiting for, why don't we raise the defensive shields? Kryten: An excellent plan, sir, with only two minor drawbacks: One, we don't have any defensive shields and two, we don't have any defensive shields. Now I know technically speaking that's only one drawback, but I thought it was such a big one, it was worth mentioning twice.

Oct 29th 2005, 8:56am	#4
the .303 bookwo Grim Squeaker Discworlder Join Date: 1 Jul 2005 Location: The Fucking Negev (desert) Posts: 720	You mean the ship isn't using it's standard perfect time travel? Also according to Who in the episode where the Daleks invaded the earth, one cruiser would be able to crack a planet open like an egg, and far higher (Cghain reaction galaxy destroying) weaponry has been known. __________________ The cult of Megas: Deus Ex Machina Incarnate Veni, Vidi,Vici By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes- Macbeth Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars—while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in water having a good time. But the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons

Nov 1st 2005, 2:12am	#10
murtalianconfed Admiral of the MCN Join Date: 8 Jul 2004 Location: home Posts: 4,249	You're suggesting that the Borg can defeat the Daleks? Please pass whatever you're smoking, its extremely powerful stuff. The Daleks threatened the Time Lords. The Time War destroyed entire civilisations, and you think a Borg cube can defeat a Dalek mothership? __________________ "Boys, if dere was a PhD in bein' fick, youse wouldn't be able to find a pencil" Sergeant Detritus Not every laser dot has a loaded gun at the other end of it--Ripmax In the gay sunlight of the 41st millenium, there is only mincing...--GAK You're the kind of person who ruins the apocalypse for the rest of us--Maltodextrin to Zarathos

Nov 1st 2005, 5:11am	#11
Jack Fetch A Scientician Join Date: 8 Dec 2003 Location: Shadows Fall Posts: 1,254	And of course the Daleks appear to be getting more powerful and cooler as the series progresses (and they were pretty damn funky to begin with) whilst the Borg... __________________ But the brain does much more than just recollect It inter-compares, it synthesizes, it analyzes it generates abstractions

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Loknar Second Stage Lensman Join Date: 1 Nov 2005 Location: Klovia Posts: 227	I'd also like to know how you assimilate a Dalek when its bullet-vaporising shield would turn any nanoprobes (or Borg arms) into space dust :P ...? As the Borg do not invent but assimilate, the only way they could have a chance would be if they managed to assimilate a Dalek ship (ie not the Daleks themselves - see above) and use its technology. Of course from what I've heard about Dalek ships, that might not be very easy :P ... __________________ Clear ether!

Oct 29th 2005, 8:32am	#3
kietotheworld Alpha One Join Date: 30 Sep 2004 Location: Airstrip One Posts: 2,400	The last guy that touched a Dalek burst into flames. Dalek Battlecruisers can destroy planets, their bombs melted continents.

Oct 30th 2005, 5:31am	#5
GrandArchailect Registered Join Date: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 62	10 million Dalek ships were a threat to the entire universe, including the Timelords. The entire Borg fleet were a possible threat to one galaxy, although they could be held back by an alliance of less advanced races.

Oct 31st 2005, 9:23am	#6
Vowelless Registered Join Date: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 1,908	The Daleks should win in scenario 2, assuming they know about the strengths and weaknesses of Borg: IIRC, in one episode, it was strongly implied that 1000 Daleks was enough to conquer a planet, and I would assume that the Daleks would quickly learn to randomise the power output of their blasters so as to deny the Borg the opportunity to adapt to it (it's implied that Dalek guns do have variable power settings- the Timelord RPG notes that Dalek guns have a stun setting, just that it's hardly ever used.

Jan 29th 2006, 1:20pm	#15
communistx Registered Join Date: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 87	They might ask the mechanoids how to destroy daleks or go back in time and assimilate the mechanoids and come back and kick dalek arse or assimilate mantrid if that did not work or even the lexx.

Jan 29th 2006, 2:22pm	#16
kietotheworld Alpha One Join Date: 30 Sep 2004 Location: Airstrip One Posts: 2,400	Old thread bumping = Bad. Especially with an argument like that. The mechanoids beat '60s Daleks on home territory. Those Daleks were a lot less powerful than the ones being discussed in this thread. The Dalek mothership in Remembrance of the Daleks was capable of cracking open the Earth like an egg. The Daleks have been seen to travel in time far better than the Borg have, chasing down a TARDIS with ease. That was the same Daleks which were defeated by Mechanoids. Would a Mechanoid even fit into the corridors of a Cube?

Jan 30th 2006, 5:42am	#18
kietotheworld Alpha One Join Date: 30 Sep 2004 Location: Airstrip One Posts: 2,400	SIDRATs? Don't you mean DARDISes? That was the unofficial name given to the Dalek time machine in The Chase.

Jan 30th 2006, 6:48am	#19
communistx Registered Join Date: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 87	They would have to be mini mechanoids, I'm positive that the borg could do this though I am straying from the point a bit. The argument really was about Dallek ship and borg cube and as it stands no doubt the dallek ship would indeed destroy the borg cube. However, if the borg were to assimilate and incorperate Lexx technology into the borg cube the dallek ship would be finnished off in seconds don't you think?

Jan 30th 2006, 7:12am	#20
StarSpawn Registered Join Date: 24 Dec 2005 Location: Denmark. Land of low unemployment and depressing winters Posts: 7,723	?Mechanoids?? as in Palladium universe (If it's bi-pedal eksterminate it..) Mechanoids?? __________________ "The screaming is not pain, it is just reflexes.." "Finally, a man worth killing..." "If you have a gun, you can rob a bank, if you have a bank you can rob everybody" "Furthermore synchronized recipocal projections within an integratet revenue contingency balances incremental flexibility in uncertain timephases"

Jan 30th 2006, 8:18am	#22
communistx Registered Join Date: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 87	no not the lexx ---- lexx technology ----- and also do you remember how the dalleks were destroyed in one of the 2 films with PETER CUSHINE as the doctor ------ with magnetic force of earth --- did they ever get over that? well I suppose the borg could use this to there advantage destroying the daleks of the past with a simple atom bomb telleported {transported)to the the center of the dalek planet. no more Dr Who episodes and the mechanoids reign.

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