‘I am at odds with God’: Avenger for kids & wife never regretted murder

http://www.rt.com/news/kaloev-interview-crash-germany-150/

Full article in the link including a Q&A with the man in question.

I remember watching about that collision on Discovery's 'Mayday' series.

The lone ATC had too many planes to track, and set them too close together. Massive tragedy.

And then he gets stabbed to death. So who is really to blame? Him for not being careful enough or his bosses for setting him up with too much work?

His bosses and the guy who murdered him, ofc.

This is why Vigilante Justice is a bad thing and a good example of why, despite how messed up it can be we have a legal system in place to deal with criminals based on (in theory anyway) actual evidence and not public opinion or court theater.

I piss and moan about my work when I think we are understaffed or whatever and I work in a brokerage firm... if lives were at risk and nothing was done then I would quit. Fuck that job, I am not going to risk killing people. They also have a whistleblower route in place, he could have phoned up the aviation authorities to complain.

If he knew and did nothing then its not much of an excuse. I believe all sides have worked to the extent of human nature, what he did was probably more revenge and not justice so of course deserved to be imprisoned. Saying that, I would of done exactly the same. My family are worth more to me than my freedom, and I would demand repercussions to such an action. Not even out of hatred, it just needs to happen and I really feel for the guy. You would be a hollow man after such a thing, nothing anyone can do to your empty shell would mean a damn.

Sad story all around.

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Not condoning his actions even though someone will try to make it seem like I am..But if I were in his situation, I wouldn't exactly feel regret either.

The important bit:

"Killing him didn’t make me feel any better."

Here is the episode in question.

It wasn't the ATC's fault, not entirely, he was overloaded with work and surprise surprise, he slipped up in a job where if you slip up, hundreds of people can die

Hell maybe the ATC felt better for sometime killing him, having to live with the deaths of 70 people hung around your neck like the Ancient Mariner must be a living hell. Like the man who killed him said, after he'd did it he didn't feel any better, the ATC's death couldn't bring his wife and children back

He doesn't regret it so you could say he doesn't feel any worse either.

8 years for premeditated murder?

You would really think there would b some sort of automatic system on every plane that would tell it to move out of the way of other planes. We do it for cars.

Sounds about the same to me as the suicide argument. "Everything of value is lost to me, therefore killing myself/murdering this man and spending some amount of time in prison is the only option." More or less, a shitty argument. Regardless, I think it would be appropriate to respond that I would feel no sympathy, nor empathy for you if you were dragged to court because of that.

Then again, it was once said that 'there is nothing more dangerous than a man with nothing left to lose'.

As for the actual story, either he's outright lying, or it wasn't premeditated murder. The man showed up, wanted an apology, didn't get one, and then blind rage took over. Doesn't sounds so much like premeditated murder in that case as just lack of self-restraint.

From what I can tell, his life simply shattered like glass. He had everything he could ask for, but then due to events outside the ATC's control caused it to happen. He was not of the right mind, no one is when they essentially lost EVERYTHING.

There should be less air traffic these days... because at this point there is too much for human error.

If you want to fill the airways, you should have Zeppelins. Their track record speaks for itself. Before the Hindenburg disaster, the only notable injury was because the Graf Zeppelin (named after the Fredrick von Zeppelin himself) had engine troubles before its intended destination and landed in France. That one injury was an ankle injury... nothing serious. Hell the Zeppelin airlines were the precursors to the modern airline in retrospect!

Would just like to point out that the number of Zeppelins operational at any one time back then is only a very small fraction of the number of jet airliners active today, like several dozen versus several thousand. Also, human error will always be present in travel, and the only way to eliminate humans from the equation would be to assign sufficiently advanced AI-centric systems in, which we cannot do with any sufficient reliability yet. Thousands of people die to car crashes caused by human error (Inattentiveness, DUI, sloppy driving etc.) each year; doesn't mean we should reduce automotive travel for that reason.

I don't condone the murder, the air traffic controller suffered enough as is.

Understood, but the ATC probably said to the man to kill him because he can't take it anymore. That sort of thing simply eats at you like nothing ever seen before. Hell, it ate at the surviving crew of the Titanic, who arguably tried to do everything they could as the chain of command broke down.

We need some extensive and simple to understand international guidelines with clear consequences... and anyone who doesn't follow them would be not only open to the ICAO to enforce their rules... lethal if necessary, but also open to the international court for criminal negligence.

It would be nice to see Kaloev executed. Sadly that's not likely to happen.

I'm kind of inclined to say that the punishment was about right. He certainly shouldn't have done it, and should be punished, but it's not as though this guy is just a cold blood killer who murdered somebody for their wallet. He is very unlikely to kill again, so ultimately keeping him in prison isn't protecting the public.

Russians are emotional people. He expected the ATC to feel sorrow, regret and shed a littte tear but instead got pushed away thus igniting a mad rage.

That is the reason I keep away from russians - they act randomly even on small things. Now imagine this situation.

And five years served of that for said premeditated murder? Sounds downright Swedish in terms of leniency.

Conversely, minus the hydrogen, most of everything that can go wrong with airliners doesn't apply to Zeppelins.
-Total Engine failure? Oh noes, we will randomly drift around the sky until we fix it or get a replacement sent up. In an airliner, you crash and die.
-Hijacked? Yeah, slowly make your way over to a target which you then largely bounce off. In an airliner, you get 9/11.
-Mid-air collision? Only if both sets of crew are asleep, and in any case, either a bounce or a very slow landing.

Hell, you can even avoid DVT, because you can walk around and lie down properly.

...why aren't we using zeppelins then? They sound like a reasonable and safe alternative, albeit a slow one.

Can rigid airships bounce?

Hindenburgs empty weight was ~130 t and being a rigid airship, I suspect it can ram things pretty well.