Discussion in 'Vs. Debates' started by Earth001, May 6, 2012.
Yes, but the point is that the same destroyer probably wouldn't be able to do the same here.
We have a good idea of what IOM ships can do but no real idea of what STO ships can do. I haven't read any significant feats nor encountered any significant calculations in this thread regarding the performance of STO ships.
Ah no, 40k Capships can turn their main guns on squadrons of fighters and bombers.
No, no they aren't. They're rated for use against Transports.
They would never have them off, at worst they'd be at 50% power (Standard doctrine for non-combat situations.)
Planetary shields not ship shields.
You're right. On important worlds they are significantly more powerful and never off or powered down. Like Holy Terra.
Depends on the planet. If it was Terra or any major fortress world they'd most certainly be spotted by astropaths well before then. They'd probably have a better shot at more minor places like agri-worlds and the like, but as mentioned earlier, playing 'whack-a-planet' with the Imperium is going to be a losing bet.
The longest range feat I can think of off the top of my head for ships.
So no ships ever enter or leave those planets?
Maybe, or maybe they wouldn't.
What happens if they do whack all the agri-worlds?
Of course they do. Under controlled areas called Spaceports.
There is no maybe.
Nothing because the Imperium will have utterly destroyed the party responsible after the second if not first.
Because the Imperium could wipe out every world in Star Trek (short of omnipotents or time-fuckery) without even worrying about their shields.
Eh, shields might help, but they won't help for all that long...
Assuming you're talking about 40k Shields. They will help for as long as it takes. Trek just doesn't have the firepower to make a 40k ship so much as sneeze.
Hey, a few seconds while the torpedoes hit atmosphere would count.
Sarpedon, who isn't exactly an amazing Psyker (hint: His forte is psychological warfare, and he's still not the expert of such), was able to pinpoint specific lifeforms while doing a multi-AU encompassing psionic search. Also, some IoM Librarians also have the capability to track ships through the Warp well beyond the point of the Astronomicon from several lightyears away from the destination. A Librarian whose name escapes me ATM from the Salamanders novels was capable of psionically incinerating hundreds at once with psionic explosions rated comparable to (if much smaller than expected) nuclear fire in its effects.
40K psionics are not to be waved off as parlor tricks.
So on the off chance that the shields do block Thalaron radiation they just wait till they lower them to let ships in.
Yes there is, STO stealth partially effects psychic abilities.
And those cloaked ships will continue right on to the next planets regardless of any retaliatory strikes. So I ask again, what would the result of all the Agri-Worlds being destroyed be for the Imperium?
This is STO, not Trek TV. How many times do I have to remind you of that fact. As to your exterminius I see your dozens of missiles and raise you this.
In DOW2 planet was bombarded by weapons that aren't even their main and most powerful ones and it reduced the planet to the state we see in the game.
And.... effect the spaceport? Wow. Impressive.
No there isn't. Note the keyword "partially" also note that the Imperium has experience in engaging cloaked vessels which have NO minds to detect at all and you get... no way for the Romulan ship to hide.
Nothing because they have no ability to do so before they're all destroyed.
Dozens of missiles oooh... Perhaps you missed the one that blasted a planet like a little bitch with a single shot?
Perhaps you missed the fact that the Imperium deploys bioweapons that make Thalaron Radiation look like a childrens toy.
Perhaps you missed the fact that the Imperium isn't going to be worried in the least.
1 Nova Cannon Shell Problem all gone.
Or hell. A virus bomb fired into fluidic space whenever they make an appearance would be even more interesting.
Talking about the distances of pskers, wasn't a Salamander's librarian able to act as a beacon which allowed the Salamanders fleet to raid Commoragh?
edit: here we go; "Salamander Librarian Hestion was sending out a psychic distress beacon to the rest of his chapter from within the captured Strike Cruiser." (Codex: Dark Eldar, p14)
No the whole planet.
Unless ST cloaks are just better then anything the IOM has experience with.
Funny, even in the clips you provided there wasn't a single bit of defensive fire from the planets. So exactly what is going to destroy the cloaked ships? And where is that instant response you were bragging about?
If they didn't need to use dozens of missiles first they must be incompetent for wasting that much ordnance.
Except they don't, Imperium bioweapons aren't lethal to all organic life, Thalaron Radiation is.
Except the planet is still there afterwords. Once the Undine destroy a planet it's gone.
And why would a virus bomb effect the Undine?
I liked this thread better when it was "alright, can anyone talk down the IOM. even a little". that was before people started pretending the romulans would go apeshit on a group that could literally have every single one of their planets at gunpoint.
Same here, I especially liked the mental image of ships showing up in orbit and demanding that the klingons pay taxes. Well, something to that effect. It was a fun thread back then.
No. Because it would still encounter the Void Shields. You didn't think they'd take down a whole planets shielding in order to let a few ships land did you? If you did I have a bridge to sell you.
*Wipes a tear from eye* Oh, that was just too precious. Tell another one.
Funny, neither one of those planets HAD any defences. One was a ghost world (Nobody alive until Chaos landed there) *Unless the novel sheds more light there* and the other was a Jungle World.
As for where is that instant response. You're looking at it, in orbit, burning those worlds. Are you really stupid enough to think that the Imperium, burning their OWN worlds are REALLY going to encounter fire?
Oh yes. I'll continue to ignore the one where they did it with a single shot because that makes me look stupid, maybe they were just wasting ordnance.
Except they are you idiot. The Life Eater Virus DESTROYS ALL ORGANIC LIFE.
Except the Undine ships are scattered into a trillion pieces because they had to fly in a close formation against an enemy famous for an anti-ship weapon with a minimum of a ten thousand kilometre blast radius.
Because they're organic matter. And Organic matter is what Virus Bombs destroy.
Can't remember, has Kalder done this in the past?
Not sure about how past it is. But yeah, he's a definite 40k hater as seen by his activities in numerous threads in just the past week alone.
His arguments remind me of Mith, how he constantly ignores evidence and tries to assert his PoV. D'ya'think you should just ignore him? Maybe it will be for the better.
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