An Entry with a Bang: Non-canon stories, Part III

Read Melgar's new part yesterday, then had an interesting thought at work:

The Combine may come to the conclusion that GDI's BAs were also using a version of the leash system.

BT computing tends strongly towards big mainframes with (potentially) lots of linked terminals. Obviously rolleyes: ) , GDI installed numerous (presumably well armored) terminals through out Port Krin to act as leash nodes. When defending an urban environment, this allows the BA to deploy with great flexibility, though it does restrict offensive tactics.

This conclusion will also reasure the Dracs that some minor Periphery state hasn't pulled off something that the Dragon cannot (autonomous PA/BA), and the CSN only discovered it first because the 'mighty Combine' had not yet turned it's efforts to PA/BA. Thus they can tell themselves they are still superior.

nice idea but the combine already knows that the GDI has (what i am calling for lack of a better term) ultra light compters
but when has the facts stopped stoped some people
"the GDI clearly copied us before we had started the our Battle armor project"

cell phone towers, I can see them being targeted

got enougher info dump just to get some of the idea's out of my head
also countins a bit on protomech's and how they could come about

hopefully this will be the last info dump i do regarding BA/PA or protomechs

Powered and battle amour through the ages

Volume 2: development

With the reinvention of the power amour into what would be later be known as battle armor. The rest of the inner sphere began a rushed if hidden battle armor development programs. This all came to a concussion in the Solaris Inner Sphere convention/ exhibition were every legitimate nation show cased there lattes attempt at both powered armor and the newly named battle armor.

Cavalier fed sun

The foremost battle armor at the time, development of the federated suns own battle armor was arguably the longest. This was thanks largely to the fact that unlike the CSN who had there industry and sciences untouched by the Succession War, or Combine who simply side step the issue with there leash system. The feds simply had to do it the hard way and painstakingly reduce the stranded Star League grade computing cores into something that could be mounted onto battle armor

The result of this process would be the Cavalier* arguably the best battle armor produced by the Inner Sphere before the clan invasion. Weighing in at 1 ton armed with a Modular Weapon Mount capable of mounting a machine gun, small laser, a flamer or a SRM/1 with 3 reloads and capably of surviving a large pulse laser. Toped off with being the first battle amour to official mount jump jets thanks to collaboration with Comstar.

Compared to it the GDIs attempt with the PBA/T-1 “Heinlein” and the PBA/T-3a “Bubblegum”** were utterly hopeless. The Combines “Myrmidon” was a joke if Ebert a dangerous one. While OWA with the BA/mk2*** “precision” was not even worth mentioning

The suit would not go on to be the iconic image of Inner Sphere thanks to the political decision of redesigning the Cavalier so that it could be used as a way to reform the various Successor States armies into the new Star League defenses force against the invading clans.










PBA/T-3a“Bubblegum GDI/CSN

The GDIs had by this time 2 distinct BA/PA. The already famous PBA/T-1 “Heinlein” that had severed in the Antallos invasion, and the newer PBA/T-3a.
The PBA/T-3a better known as the “bubblegum” or simply “bubble” was in many respects a down grade from it predecessor, the Heinlein. at 300kg it was the lightest armor that had let to be made, had no integrated weaponry, lift 100kg of extra weight and have a jump jet range of 15 meters.

This would have made the GDI a complete laughing stock but for 1 detail. Were the federated suns had brought less than 6 BA, the Combine bringing 20 (with only half being functional) and the OWA 2 the GDI decided to bring the minimum that the CSN would allow to be deployed into a combat zone. One company of 100 PA (L) not including the dozen Heinlein backing them up.

BA/mk2 “precision OWA

The precision BA produced by the OWA started life 18 mouth’s after the Antallos invasion when the GDI final admitted to the PBA/T-1 existents. The OWA almost instantly inquired on weather they would be permitted to purchase the right to make there own PBA/T-1. The CSN declined this request on the base’s on security but did give a counter deal by supplying the computing system (black boxed nonetheless) so that the OWA could produce it’s own BA design.

This turned out to be a mistake as while the OWA were happy to produce there own BA. Instead for give the project over to one of the leading Weapons Industries. The OWA government decided to have the whole design done by a bureaucratic comity aimed at selling the BA to the public as “the new face of the OWA battle doctrine” with an emphasis on how precise and clean the new BA system could be

The BA it’s self is 900kg can only take 1 to 2 medium laser shots, it’s armed with a heavy claw on the left arm and a recoilless rifle on the right, and on paper seems a fairly decent design, Until you see the flaws. The helmet is left open faced to allow the soldier within to be able to talk to any civilians despite the fact that it was never be deployed outside of a war zone. The rifle had to be manually reloaded which was impossible with ether hand, the armor was heavily stylized giving it just under a dozen shot traps.


SHBA/t-15”warmonger” commonwealth****

While the commonwealth would later adopt both the Cavalier and inner Sphere Stranded.
It did however attempt to produce it’s own model this was however done in typical lyran fashion and so this final product would later be recognized as the first Protomech.

While the true story behind it’s development will forever remains a mystery. The most popular theory point to (as always) the Antallos invasion but not however to the “Heinlein” instead the story begins at the GDI “office of probated media” located in port kirn set up to censure any and all material that could compromise the location of the CSN home world. Were the first probing raid performed by Greg Samsonov’s forces sent a stray flight of unarmed LRM into the front of the building scattering the contents across 2 streets.

Naturally ever intelligent group within the city instantly went out to grab anything they could hoping to obtained something on the current nature of the CSN. This quickly turned out to be a disappointing result as the only thing the office contained was fictional books and 2-d movies. Despite this the LIC shipped still shipped out a copy of everything they had obtained back including a movie called “iron man” this movie when viewed by the CO of Defiance Industries “Greydon Brewer” almost instantly declared the “ironmonger” suit worn by the villain in the movie to be the same design philosophy the upcoming lyran BA project would adhere to.

This decision would cause the project to lag behind every other BA design as the design teams struggled to come up with a way for the pilot to control the arms and legs without having to resort to cutting of there arms and leg’s so they could fit in all the limes at onces. This came to a head when the project manager after having been yelled at for dragging his feet finally snapped and yelled out that the only way they could get such a large armor to work would be to use a neural helmet and pilot it like a small mech.
Surprisingly Greydon simply stated “if that what it takes, do it” the result would be the warmonger.

At 4.5 tons the warmonger was easily thrice as heavy as the Cavalier featuring a true reactor instead of batteries controlled with a combination of neural helmet to control the arms and exoskeleton sensors for the legs, more armor than the other BA/PA combined, armed with, small laser, a Heavy Grenade Launcher, and a 3 LMGs despite this it was some what useless in light that the skill's needed to pilot it had let to be brought together leading to the warmonger spending most of it’s time either flat on it’s face or getting up.

It would take until the clan invasion before the correct method could be developed for piloting both the warmonger and the other protomechs that came after.




notes
* im keeping this as the cannon Cavalier to keep this simple
Also keeping the Inner Sphere Standard the same just switching them around on which was made first
** i am going with the hard suit from Bubblegum Crisis as the basis for the GDI power armor(L) but that’s only a stand in if anyone can give me a better design/name I will switch it out same with the states i am really winging it here
*** I am basing the OWA BA on the red eye manga series with all the faults turn up to11
Thanks to it being designed by a comity made up of bureaucrats and politicians not mountain wolfs engineers
**** I have no idea if this is even possibly so im making this up as a go along

Protomech definishion
A form of battle armor that is
1 over 4 tons
2 has it’s own reactor
3 has an alternate form of piloting ak Enhanced Imaging for the clans
Combo helmet for IS landmate for GDI/OWA cyborg for comstar/WOB

Re. Warmonger

... how typical lyran.

that was the idea

On the PBA/T-3a“Bubblegum GDI/CSN I'd put in the notes that the GDI has plans to equip all its infantry with the suit, or its successor. Which doesn't even count the Heinlein's heavier successor (something to mount heavy weapons on, ie Landmate type design).

this is ment to be from the IS perspective just the idea for putting company's of PA on to the battle would be eye bulging enough
that and the GDI never said they were going to be standed for the infantry
im not realy into the GDI protomechs which is what the landmate end up becoming
sure they make a few dozen but only for trainering and such
(the IS boys seem to like protomechs lets make sure we kow how to kill them)
plus anything that could necessitate a heavyer BA would be much better of getting a upgraded humvee maybe a drone like form ghost recon
0.36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CfpCkO1w9-k

My corrections and another good piece.

Powered and battle amour through the ages

Volume 2: Development

With the reinvention of the power amour into what would be later be known as battle armor. The rest of the inner sphere began a rushed if hidden battle armor development programs. This all came to a concussion in the Solaris Inner Sphere convention/exhibition were every legitimate nation show cased there latest attempt at both powered armor and the newly named battle armor.

Cavalier Federated Suns

The foremost battle armor at the time, development of the Federated Suns own battle armor was arguably the longest. This was thanks largely to the fact that unlike the CSN who had there industry and sciences untouched by the Succession War, or Combine who simply side step the issue with there leash system. The feds simply had to do it the hard way and painstakingly reduce the stranded Star League grade computing cores into something that could be mounted onto battle armor. The result of this process would be the Cavalier* arguably the best battle armor produced by the Inner Sphere before the clan invasion. Weighing in at one ton and armed with a Modular Weapon Mount capable of mounting a machine gun, small laser, a flamer or a SRM/1 with three reloads and capably of surviving, a large pulse laser topped off with being the first battle amour to officially mount jump jets thanks to a collaboration with Comstar.

Compared to it the GDI’s attempt with the PBA/T-1 “Heinlein” and the PBA/T-3a “Bubblegum”** were utterly hopeless. The Combines “Myrmidon” was a joke if albeit a dangerous one. While OWA with the BA/mk2*** “Precision” was not even worth mentioning. The suit would not go on to be the iconic image of Inner Sphere thanks to the political decision of redesigning the Cavalier so that it could be used as a way to reform the various Successor States armies into the new Star League defenses force against the invading clans.

PBA/T-3a Bubblegum GDI/CSN

The GDI had by this time two distinct BA/PA the already famous PBA/T-1 “Heinlein” that had severed in the Antallos invasion and the newer PBA/T-3a. The PBA/T-3a better known as the “Bubblegum” or simply “Bubble” was in many respects a downgrade from it predecessor, the Heinlein. At 300kg, it was the lightest armor that had yet to be made, had no integrated weaponry could only lift a 100kg of extra weight and has a jump jet range of 15 meters. This would have made the GDI a complete laughing stock but for one detail. Were the Federated Suns had brought less than six BA, the Combine bringing twenty (with only half being functional) and the OWA’s two the GDI decided to bring the minimum that the CSN would allow to be deployed into a combat zone. One company of 100 Bubblegum PA (L) not including the dozen Heinlein backing them up.

BA/mk2 Precision OWA

The Precision BA produced by the OWA started life 18 month’s after the Antallos invasion when the GDI final admitted to the PBA/T-1 existence. The OWA almost instantly inquired on weather they would be permitted to purchase the right to make there own PBA/T-1. The CSN declined this request on the base’s on security but did give a counter deal by supplying the computing system (black boxed nonetheless) so that the OWA could produce its own BA design.

This turned out to be a mistake as while the OWA were happy to produce there own BA. Instead, for give the project over to one of the leading Weapons Industries. The OWA government decided to have the whole design done by a bureaucratic comity aimed at selling the BA to the public as “the new face of the OWA battle doctrine” with an emphasis on how precise and clean the new BA system could be. The BA it’s self is 900kg can only take one to two medium laser shots, it’s armed with a heavy claw on the left arm and a recoil-less rifle on the right, and on paper seems a fairly decent design, Until you see the flaws. The helmet is left open faced to allow the soldier within to be able to talk to any civilians despite the fact that it was never be deployed outside of a war zone. The rifle had to be manually reloaded which was impossible with ether hand, the armor was heavily stylized giving it just under a dozen shot traps.

SHBA/t-15 Warmonger Commonwealth****

While the commonwealth would later adopt both the Cavalier and Inner Sphere Standard. It did however attempt to produce its own model this was however done in typical Lyran fashion and so this final product would later be recognized as the first Protomech.

While the true story behind its development will forever remains a mystery. The most popular theory point to (as always) the Antallos invasion but not however to the “Heinlein” instead the story begins at the GDI “office of probated media” located in Port Kirn set up to censure any and all material that could compromise the location of the CSN home world. Were the first probing raid performed by Greg Samsonov’s forces sent a stray flight of unarmed LRM into the front of the building scattering the contents across two streets. Naturally ever intelligent group within the city instantly went out to grab anything they could hoping to obtained something on the current nature of the CSN. This quickly turned out to be a disappointing result as the only thing the office contained was fictional books and 2-d movies. Despite this, the LIC shipped still shipped out a copy of everything they had obtained back including a movie called “Iron Man” this movie when viewed by the CO of Defiance Industries Greydon Brewer. Almost instantly declared the “Ironmonger” suit worn by the villain in the movie to be the same design philosophy the upcoming Lyran BA project would adhere.

This decision would cause the project to lag behind every other BA design as the design teams struggled to come up with a way for the pilot to control the arms and legs without having to resort to cutting of there arms and leg’s so they could fit in all the limes at once. This came to a head when the project manager after having been yelled at for dragging his feet finally snapped and yelled out that the only way they could get such a large armor to work would be to use a neural helmet and pilot it like a small mech.

Surprisingly Greydon simply stated “if that what it takes, do it” the result would be the Warmonger. At 4.5 tons, the Warmonger was easily thrice as heavy as the Cavalier featuring a true reactor instead of batteries. Controlled with a combination of neural helmet to control the arms and exoskeleton sensors for the legs, more armor than the other BA/PA combined. Armed with, small laser, a Heavy Grenade Launcher, and a three LMG. Despite this it was some what useless in light that the skill's needed to pilot it had yet to be brought together leading to the Warmonger spending most of it’s time either flat on it’s face or getting up. It would take until the clan invasion before the correct method could be developed for piloting both the Warmonger and the other protomechs that came after.

Notes
* I am keeping this as the cannon Cavalier to keep this simple also keeping the Inner Sphere Standard the same just switching them around on which was made first.

** I am going with the hard suit from Bubblegum Crisis as the basis for the GDI power armor(L) but that’s only a stand in if anyone can give me a better design/name I will switch it out same with the states I am really winging it here.

*** I am basing the OWA BA on the red eye manga series with all the faults turn up to11 thanks to it being designed by a comity made up of bureaucrats and politicians not mountain wolfs engineers.

**** I have no idea if this is even possibly so I am making this up as a go along

Protomech definition
A form of battle armor that is
1 Over 4 tons
2 Has its own reactor
3 Has an alternate form of piloting aka Enhanced Imaging for the clans Combo helmet for IS landmate for GDI/OWA cyborg for Comstar/WOB.

The view I think is that GDI isn't going for protomechs, but think of the Landmate as a heavy BA for GDI or as a heavy weapons Power Armor.

im going with the idea that landmates are a OWA unit made from more primitive tech and are more bulky as a result

Melgar, we've been going for the idea that the CSN invents Land-Mates for well over two years now. They're a stepping stone between true BAs and true ProtoMechs. You don't need a 'cockpit' for one, due to that the user actually is wearing the suit, like a BA. But it's heavily restrained compared to a true Proto:

• Must be humanoid in shape. (True Protos can now be either Humanoid or Quad designs. Due to their Master-Arm to Slave-Arm construction, Land-Mates cannot EVER be designed as quads)
• Must be heat-neutral designed.
• Requires a Fusion engine that comes with with ZERO free heat sinks.
• Maximum of five heat sinks. These heat sinks are specially designed for the Land-Mate.
• Cannot mount CASE or CASE II.
• Cannot mount Jump Jets, nor any other alternative move and/or movement booster systems (UMUs, Mechanical Boosters, Partial Wing, TSM, MASC, etc).
• Cannot use any BA/PA(L) type armor, nor can Land-mates use the Camo System equipment (they are too large for the Camo System to work).
• Cannot use Null Signature System, Void Signature System, Chameleon Light-Polarization Shield, Blue Shield System, any type of Ferro-Fibrous Armor, any type of Endo-Steel, Composite Skeleton, Magnetic Clamps, Ferro-Lamellor Armor, Hardened Armor, Reactive Armor, Laser-Reflective Armor, or Patchwork Armor
• Master-Arms cannot mount 'Mech Scale, BA/PA(L)scale, or AP scale weapons/equipment of any kind, and are treated as Armored Gloves.
• Land-Mates cannot Swarm, nor can they be externally carried by BattleMechs or OmniMechs.

• 1 slot in the torso is available for mounting weapons/equipment of 'Mech scale, with a maximum mass limit of 1,500kgtotal for the slot. 1 additional slot in the torso is available for mounting a single BA/PA(L) scale weapon/equipment of any mass, but cannot be a BA/PA(L) missile launcher.
• Slave-Arms can each mount 1 AP Mount + 1 BA scaled weapon/equipment of choice but cannot mount Missile Launchers. 300kg max total per Slave-Arm. Cannot carry a Main Gun if Slave-Arms have hard-mounted or modular-mounted weapons/equipment. BA/PA(L) scaled energy weapons do not require heat sinks but use a series of rechargeable power packs external to the Land-Mate, counted as ammunition, and each usage of a BA/PA(L) scaled energy weapon will reduce this ammunition count by one. They cannot be recharged from the onboard fusion reactor during combat. Using advanced rules they can be recharged at at field base or larger during non-combat actions.
• Can carry a Main Gun that is at or under 700kg at maximum + ammunition (True Protos can conceivably carry MLs, ERMLs, MPLs, Light AC/2s(!), etc - technically they have no upper limit). Main Gun can be energy, ballistic, or missile based regardless of Torso/Arms limitations above. Missile Tubes can be combined, but other types cannot. Cannot hard-mount or modular-mount weapons/equipment to arms if a Main Gun is carried. Main Gun must be a 'Mech scale weapon, not BA/PA(L) scale.
• Land-Mates can mount larger versions of BA/PA(L) physical weapons, such as claws, battle claws, or Vibro versions of both, in their Slave-Arms. These weigh four times their normal kilogram weight, and deal twice as much damage. If a Land-Mate mounts both a Main Gun and a physical weapon(s), it cannot use both in the same turn, but chose to use either the Main Gun or or one (or both of the) physical weapons.
• Uses standard 'Mech armor, or can use specially designed and miniaturized version of 'Mech Stealth Armor which takes up the 'Mech scale slot in the torso, the BA/PA(L) slot in the torso, and both slots in one of the arms (designer's choice). Usage of the Stealth Armor requires a BA/PA(L) ECM suite, and creates 4 heat per round, and thus a minimum of 4 heat sinks must be allocated/carried by the Land-Mate. Armor is mounted per single point, each point weighing 50kg, no matter which version (standard or Stealth) is carried. Armor types cannot be mixed.
• Land-Mate torsos have two critical hit boxes of health. Upon taking the first hit, all Slave-Arm weapon/equipment penalties are doubled, Main Gun is no longer usable, and movement is reduced by half. These are all cumulative to any other existing penalties. Upon taking the second hit, the engine and Land-mate is destroyed, with pilot is considered dead. (True Protos have three critical hit boxes). The Land-Mate is not salvageable if destroyed in this method.
• Any hit to the torso dealing 10 or more damage in a single hit (example: A PPC, AC/20, or Gauss Rifle hit would count, but not multiple ML hits or any missile hits) automatically deals one critical hit to the torso. This is to account for the more vulnerable & exposed Master-Arms which are barely more protected then a PA(L)'s arms, in which a single large impact will more then likely hit the Master-Arms, while smaller impacts will more likely scatter over the torso and deal less damage to the Master-Arms. If the armor was breached as a result of this single hit, roll normally to see if a critical hit occurs. If one does, the Land-Mate is considered destroyed from the single hit, but is salvageable, unlike if it had normally taken two critical hits.
• Land-Mates can be constructed from 2.5 tons to 7 tons at half ton (0.5) increments. Follow all other ProtoMech rules for construction.

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And those are even more constricted rules then the last ones mentioned. Conceivably that's 10 Land-Mates chassis types available (2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, etc, up to 7 tons), which compares roughly to how there are 12 'Mech chassis weight types (not counting ultra-lights) commonly available. Obviously, the lighter Land-Mates won't see much usage in that BA/PA(L)s are simply more economical to use and build in greater numbers, with the lighter Land-Mate's only advantage being it's fusion reactor and that it can carry at least one (possibly two, if carrying a Main Gun) energy weapon that does not require ammunition like BA/PA(L) ones do.

Infantry is the terror of anyone that doesn't have a gun or a bow/arrow.
PA(L)s are the terror of Infantry.
BAs are the terror of anything smaller then themselves, and even slow moving BattleMechs.
Land-Mates are the terror of anything smaller then themselves, and even moderately fast BattleMechs.
ProtoMechs are the terror of anything smaller then themselves, and even fast BattleMechs.
BattleMechs are the terror of anything that isn't an Assault Conventional, or a Super-Heavy BattleMech on the defensive.
Super-Heavy BattleMechs are the terror of anything, if it's on the defensive, but otherwise are scared of everything.

I think what we are get at is classification if has its own reactor it protomecha even if a four legged ride on horse mecha, so a large land mate with own reactor would be class as a protomecha

All things considering, the more I look at the Land-Mate idea, the more I prefer it to Protos.

Let the Houses work on developing Protos (there IS previous precedent for a super-small, highly accurate/sensitive neuro-helmet, which ended up getting used by the old SLDF to be refitted as their preferred ASF neurohelmet...and it came from a gaming console). The CSN and it's closest allies, can work on Land-Mates.

It's sort of the perfect fit for the CSN. You can use that ultra-lightweight 'gaming' neuro-helmet (the game is, iirc, still in existence in the Inner Sphere), combined with how it's still mostly 'worn', to achieve balance without needing a gyro. But that is still somewhat offset by the fact that it's still using inferior components then true ProtoMechs, and is severely limited by that fact. Yet it can do a few things better then BAs, simply because it could effectively stay in the field as long as it's pilot wished to stay in the field. At least that is, if it mounts energy weapons only. Even a Stealth Armored Land-Mate can at least fit in a Small Laser (barely), and it can slowly recharge BA weapons when in downtimes between combat, where the rest of the suit can shut down, or at least go to minimal power while it recharges things.

BTW, the removal of the option of jump-jets on the Land-Mate is deliberate. BAs or PA(L)s get away with it via fast 'locking' of the legs to keep them from flailing around during the leap (and landing). Land-Mates on the other hand are just slightly too big to lock them quickly enough, yet are too small to be able to absorb the shock (a true Proto can, due to the pilot being completely 'tucked' into the torso, and not having their own limbs inside the robotic ones) on it's legs if spread slightly without risking damage. So designers simply removed the entire option to simplify & streamline construction (and costs). They can however be combat dropped via breakaway one-use rocket pods + parachutes, or via the drop pods (two Land-Mates per pod, compared to one 'Mech per pod, or a full squad of BA/PA(L)s per pod). But after landing, it's either walking/running, or slogging across the bottom of a body of water.

i was aware of the debate on protos and im not realy into them myself but i add the warmonger proto as
A: lyrans being lyrans
B: a catch all term for a BA mounting a fusion
C:my idea on how you could get the fine control needed without killing off your pilots (and you neede some dame good pilots to pull of using the "combo helmet"
D: one of those designs that everyone would like to see forgton let always seem's to pop back up
E:somthing to give the CSN/GDI a browntrouser moment(if they got a copie of iron man then what else did they get?
i would like to keep it in but im willing to remove it

I myself do not like protos but I like the Warmonger in stead of calling it a proto call it an assulat BA there is a canon one that seems like it made by the Combine I forget its name right now but I will post a link later when I get home.

There's over eleven of the Assault BAs. The first is the Combine's Kanazuchi, which is the original 'Assault BA', and another, also the newest one, is the Clan's Warg. Funny enough, it's pretty much a Clantech 'knock-off' of the Kanazuchi, which I personally find hilarious that the Clans had to lower themselves to that.

Although I personally think the two scariest ones are the Jade Falcon's Ironhold (The most commmon alt-config carries FOUR AP-GAUSS?!?!) and the Republic's Kopis (twin MLs!!). A point of 'Fire' Ironholds is going to be pumping out 60 dmg at a time, while a Kopis squad deals 40 dmg at a time. Either way those two suits are ones you do not want to screw with.

The Kanazuchi is the one the thing I remember most about it is the fluff said that it was piloted not worn like other BAs and it took two clan erppc to the face and survied.

Edit: Here is the link for the Kanazuchi http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kanazuchi and a picture

Now tell me that is not piloted and it still considered a BA.

It's considered a BA pretty much only because it doesn't mount a true engine of any kind, but runs entirely off of power packs/batteries.
Honestly, if it was just a tad bit bigger, you really could make it a ProtoMech. Although it'd be crap for agility in comparison to a real one. But considering it's designed almost totally as a defensive unit, that really wouldn't be a major concern. Sometimes all you really do want is an Atlas-expy that can stand there and not only take it, but dish it, while shrugging off impacts.

And yes, taking a Clan ERPPC impact to the face (one impact, not two. I have the DCMS Field Manual in which this was first released) is downright fucking scary as hell. And the Upgrade isn't exactly something to scoff at either, for all that it does 'less' damage.

Even if it does look rather like someone decided to take a microwave, weld it to some legs and add arms with guns and claws...

I thought it was hit with two at the same time but if only one fired still.
My point was that it is not a suit of armor but is still a BA so the Warmonger could be like that and not a proto.

i suppose you have a point, should i edit the post or just repost the whole thing + corrections?

Repost the whole thing from the start with corrections and put it in the main thread of the RR An Entry With A Bang - Thread 10 not everyone looks in this one.

o.k
il included the info dump as it help's flesh out the story