Dungeon Keeper Ami Thread #3

Discussion in 'The Index' started by Robo Jesus, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. Any tips for fighting empresses Mercury?

    Yes, young keeper, when everything is burning to ash around you, crackle evilly and say 'just as planned'.


    IIRC this is the third time she's done something like this. The first two times with lava. Our cute little pyro.

    Is it this? The Dragon and the George

    Though I like the premise the the title alone makes me not want to read it. Another boring hero fighting some dull dark powa.
  2. It was probably an intentional nod to St. George and the Dragon, but yeah, by itself it would sound pretty banal.
  3. Jiven Hmmm, black tea~~ My lifeblood.

    I am quite interested in a possible development of Torian becoming good-aligned.
  4. Iron Roby Lurker drafted by the server

    It's four times actually, first two with lava, then out of thin air with helium and now burning stone underwater. And it's especially funny considering how her powers are really ice and water-based. The Flame Emperor (one of the dark gods), if he is true to his name, must be either seething in jealousy or in love with the fiery ice empress. Possibly both.

    Oh and I don't want to start the nuclear debate again, Pusakuronu has been bombarded so many times with it in the Addventure comments and most have agreed Ami would not risk spreading the knowledge in any circumstances, but her big sis now on the other hand... :drevil:

    It's much more fun seeing him sucking up, especially in contrast to Cathy, Snyder and the rest. Remember in the current chapter he took it for granted that he is going to be painfully killed by Mercury for his "failure" and still went out of his way to earn amnesty by saving her. I think our protagonist needs a loyal and competent evil councilor to remind her of her position. People tend to forget that her minions, other keepers, underworld denizens and even people of the light kingdoms finding out what a kind softy she really is in a moral sense, is not a good thing.
  5. ^This. Torian's much more interesting being evil and self-serving yet still coming out loyal and competent, as he was here--sure, he didn't succeed, but that was pretty damn heroic. It's the contrast of motivations and actions that sets him apart and I'd rather not see go away.
  6. only if you create a suitable metal container (I don't think all metals are suitable) with no air, water, or other contaminants on the inside which is completly airproof.

    Granted anyone with a Dungeon Heart could do that, but that's not something they'd create by accident - especially not as they know the material is (in addition to its other properties) highly corrosive which would normally mean you don't want to story it in any sort of metal container.

    Which is the most likely result of anyone in the DK world producing it.
  7. Agreed.

    Also, it would be hilarious if Torian remained evil, with selfish motivations, but because of his competency and heroic acts he gets the reverse of what Ami gets -- a reputation of being a good guy. Then he gets to beat down assassination attempts the next time he visits an Underworld city as well as other warlocks trying to replace him. Even better if Ami starts treating him like a potential good guy, but both of them keep miscommunicating and misreading each other's intentions.
  8. Iron Roby Lurker drafted by the server

    "Only the damned Dark Empress can tame the "invisible fire acid poison smoke of the demonic Chlorine Flour Trinity"."

    "Any relations between the Chlorine and Ancient Calarine, I wonder, sire. Maybe the Keeper-Empress has the knowledge of a forgotten Dark Kingdom?"

    "And what's it about the flour? Are we going to have start worrying about the kingdom's crops and bread? Is the evil Empress dedicated to some ancient Dark God trinity of pestilence, hunger and fiery catastrophes worshiped in the Ancient Chlorine?"

    Chlorine trifluoride would probably became the Greek fire of the Dungeon Keeper world, only with an even greater memetic badass status. I doubt they are using Latin alphabet, and even if they did the real scientific meaning of ClF3 would make no sense to them. So I propose "ClF3" becoming a powerful and feared symbol of evil, like skulls, poisonous snakes, spiders and the like. I can see ClF3 used as a heraldic symbol on the coat of arms of those brave and evil enough to use it.

    It's a visual novel with Ami as the "ordinary guy" protagonist, but she has been such an insensitive jerk to Azzathra and Crowned Death, that their routes have been irreversibly closed, so the harem best ending is no longer possible :(. It's all about the fan favorite Metallia now, the childhood friend first girl is always the official true route, isn't it? *Sigh*
  9. Vlad III Indeed, Mr. Watson.

    I wonder how big of a chemical spill this has caused. Probably bigger than the oil one caused from that BP well.

    The fallout should be huge. She destroys Crowned Dearth SDT (Submarine Dungeon Temple) and everything within 100 miles or more down current with the waters being polluted will be unlivable for years to come.
  10. Jonen C F.M.D.G.

    And totally and completely right.

    Remember: The spear torpedo was a transformed infiltrator, code name Solid Fish.

    It made contact with and was then used to dominate and control an undead minion, which summoned and delivered the hardware connector which then allowed Ami to connect to the Undead Dungeon Net.

    So really, yes - the spear torpedo was part of the weapon. Just that it was the very first element of the targeting device, rather than delivery or payload.

    ---

    Also, for one step up from chlorine triflouride (and requiring more time and possibly active control and fine tuning for the desired reaction)... Summon a critical mass of U235, or Plutonium.

    Or you may want to try two sub-critical masses and a catapult and sled contraption to bring them together for instantaneous supercriticality.

    And then, of course, there's God-tier: Antimatter.
  11. Hazard Stop poking already

    This is an acid spill, not an oil spill. And the acid easily dissolves in water at that. It's unlikely the problem is unlikely to last for more than a couple of months, if that long.

    Or course, as long as it's not diluted sufficiently, it's most likely going to kill anyone that comes near enough in a truely unpleasant manner.


    EDIT: An atomic bomb has the disadvantage of creating a lot of long term fallout. And I don't think anyone has ever managed to create anything other than trace quantities of antimatter.
  12. Remember that the temple is down in an ocean trench, and the chlorine trifluoride is incredibly reactive. it should quite quickly be immobilised in various forms. It partially depends on what the temple was made from, but I suspect that if it was limestone you'd end up with a lot of fluorite and a whole load of similar fluoride compounds.
  13. Jonen C F.M.D.G.

    The environmental impact: She created tons and tons of chlorine trifluoride. That's a lot. It reacts violently, creating a concentration of new chlorine and fluorine compounds, many of which are bound to be not so environmentally friendly.

    But given that any the site where the Crowned Deaths dungeon was destroyed is bound to be contaminated by magical anti-life for aeons, it's probably not as bad as not doing it.

    A nuke would probably have been the cleaner option: Less radioactive material summoned and irradiated - the fallout is going to be fairly well contained and what's not contained ends up very diluted.

    As to antimatter. Well, the Dungeon Hearts ability to create matter is fairly unquantified in that specific matter, mostly due to the severe difficulties involved in containment. It may be able to do it, it might not be, and the only way we're ever going to find out is if Ami or Tiger finds themselves in the need of quickly creating the ultimate self destruct in a dungeon.
  14. ggs Apprentice Arm Commander

    Chlorine Trifluoride does not dissolve in water, water dissolves in it* and then you get even more nastier shit. Also, keep in mind despite the Submarine Dungeon Temple being at the bottem of an oceanic trench Torian could see the light of the SDT burning from the surface.


    *More accurately chlorine trifluoride explosively combines with water releasing all types of toxic chemicals.
  15. well, once again the "Good" forces will go back to hating her guts and demanding for her head again, then.

    It was good while it lasted
  16. The plot-arc is "Things succeed, and then go wrong" not "Things go wrong from the start."

    Ami's destruction of the Superweapon will cause her tremendous problems in other areas.

    Edit: Did Tiger summon the ClF3? I'd thought she dumped the entire stored resources of the Superweapon into transforming most of it into ClF3. Seems like you get more bang for your buck.

    Plus isn't it less resource intense to transform something, rather than create it from nothingness?

    Although I also assumed she'd transformed the outer layer of the Superweapon into pure Sodium, rather than ClF3 so I might have missed something.
  17. thor2006 thor

    She used both the mana and gold to get ClF3.

    What tremendous problems will destruction of the CD temple will cause to Ami?
  18. I don't know, but this is DKA, so it's got to cause a bunch of them. The last time something actually went right for Ami was probably 40 chapters ago.
  19. Something else to consider about the environmental fallout, as soon as the dungeon hearts died the temple would have started plummeting to the bottom of the ocean trench like a great burning comet. The very bottom of ocean trenches have pretty extreme environments anyway, and are quite isolated from the rest of the world..
  20. It's actually pretty good. The hero isn't particularly boring and the Dark Powers are randomly obscure. The sequels are also good.



    Edit: There's also the fact that everyone who isn't Ami is going to assume the environmental damage has more to do with Crowned Death than a chemical they're unaware of.
  21. The solubility of chlorine trifluoride is completely irrelevant because it's hyper-reactivity means there's going to be none of it left. Hazard is clearly referring to the products, much of which would be the acids HCl and HF from the water reaction. There's no doubt going to be other nasty stuff from reactions with other things, but he's right: this is primarily an acid spill.
  22. On the chlorine trifluoride contamination, in that sort of environment I expect very little of the substance to exist for more than a few minutes, if not a few seconds, simply because it is surrounded on all sides by things to react with. One of the byproducts of ClF3 reacting with water is hydrofluoric acid, which is nasty, nasty stuff, however it will also react with pretty much everything that is not Teflon or a high molecular weight plastic. This means that any part of the stone temple that is not burned away by the ClF3 will be subsequently dissolved by the HF. There will be a degree of contamination to be sure, but this is the middle of the ocean and in a deep trench, well below the layers in which mixing occurs with any great speed, and all of the byproducts are water soluble rather oil which will float, so they will tend to stay down there. Since the sediment will be rich in organic compounds and silicates and especially calcium compounds that the HF will want to react with, most of it will be consumed and remain relatively contained. Still, that was implied to be Crowned Death's entire gold and mana inventory spent on ClF3, which would imply tens of tonnes of material, if not more, generated, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some degree of long term oceanic contamination, but again, the chemical and its byproducts are so damned reactive they won't have a long half life in the ecosystem to really get up to doing much harm.
  23. Alternatively it will mix poorly with Crowned Death's magic and eventually Ami will have to face down a gigantic and in insane ClF3 Elemental.
  24. Whilst I agree there'll be a lot of hydrochloric and hydrofluoric acid left behind, I would estimate that the majority of the products will be the results of the chlorine trifluoride reacting with the dungeon itself as the stone burns, so it largely depends on what stone its made of - calcium bearing rocks would tend to produces large amount of insoluble fluorite, as I mentioned before, which would condense out as they were rapidly cooled.
  25. ... that sounds more likely to happen considering this is Dungeon Keeper Ami

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