Engineers (Space Jockeys) in Predator vs Alien verse

Now I know Prometheus is a Alien prequel isn't supposed to connect to the Predator vs Alien verse.

Some things are contradictory such as Engineers being Human Precursors that has imprinted itself to ancient cultures and the Predators being ancient astronauts that taught humans how to build pyramids.

Xenomorphs being one of the many bio weapons Engineers created. Xenomorphs being a prized hunted animal for young Predators. When things go bad Preds nuke the hunting ground.

Most Engineers we've seen want to kill humanity.

Assuming these Predators and Engineers know each other how would you characterize their relationship?

None of these points are actually mutually contradictory. Xenos could be ancient bio weapons and be a prized big-game animal. Likewise Engineers creating humans and the Predators teaching them how to make pyramids.

Engineers certainly aren't unkillable, though they're clearly extremely strong and tough. The real issue is we have no idea what they're like, psychologically or as a nation/polity/race. Makes it difficult to imagine how they're react to a race of alpha predators.

Yeah, I'd say there isn't enough information to say much about this with any authority.

We do however, see a Space Jockey helmet, similar to what the Pilot wore in one of the Predator films. It might have been AVP2 or something, not sure. However, we do know that they have met and that it didn't go well for the Engineer...

Maybe the Predators hired the Jockeys to make them humans for minor game/labour and the Xenos solely for good game.

Well what do know...Aliens vs Predator Requiem has a Space Jockey helmet.


I'm guessing Engineers don't find Predators, regular ones or supers, very friendly.

Theory: Earth, particularly humans, is bait.

It's certainly not implausible to believe that the Predators and Engineers might have warred against each other.

Is... that a Triceratops skull in the upper left corner? Because I do remember a bit of fanon that holds that Pred FTL can journey through time, not just through space...

I'm not so sure we can call that an Engineer helmet at this point. It seems too small, and doesn't quite the same as what we see in prometheus. I'll grant you that it might be the skull of what the comics have called the space jockeys but I think the engineers we see in Prometheus are a sharp divergence from what a lot of the aliens EU went into with the space jockeys.

In fact it looks like someone drew up a pic of the differences we see:


I think this was done because initially the space jockeys were suppossed to be the things we saw in petrified remains, then Ridley Scott changed his mind for prometheus and it became a big humanoid in a suit.

So I'm not really sure you can say the same creatures that exist as the Space Jockeys in the AvP verse are the same aliens we see in Prometheus, though they have a number of similarities. Really we'll need to wait on the Prometheus sequel (suppossedly) to see more of the Engineers in action.

It could just be different sizes and style of helmet. It's not as if every space helmet Earth has produced looks exactly the same.

In keeping with the precusor theme, I'd like to think that the Predators could be another experiment of the Engineers, one that differs more considerably from themselves. Perhaps even an experiment that had unintended consequences for their own civilization.


It's probably not a triceratops skull, just some alien creature that looks similar. IIRC, Predator 2 had something like that looks like a T-Rex, but with four eye-sockets. It wouldn't shock me if the prop department just grabbed some dinosaur heads on hand and modified them a bit.

While true, there's reasonable evidence that the space jockeys in the AvP verse aren't the same as in Prometheus.
ex: This is how they were depicted in the graphic novels.



These match the skull we see in AvP (The entire room is full of bone skulls and we see a bone skull that looks like the space jockey helmet).

whereas this is what they look like in Prometheus:


I think it's premature to say that the Predators hunt and killed, or even had any interaction, with the Engineers from Prometheus.

What are the Predators thoughts on museum heists? Because I can totally see a Predator bragging to his buddies about how he managed to sneak into a museum, steal the skull, and then sneak back to his ship five miles away while lugging a fuck-huge skull on his back through a crowded city.

As per Predator 2 they are big on trophies. But thing is their shtick is hunters not thieves.

Also, most "bones" in museums are actually replicas.

Still, it's a funny mental image.
"So... you say that you hunted this thing in the middle of a sprawling metropolis."
"Yep."
"Something forty feet long, in the middle of a city of thousands of other targets."
"Yep."
"Something that we haven't seen in 65 million years."
"Yep."
"Something whose skull is made out of bronze."
"Yep."
"You really do suck at this hunting thing. And lying too. You just suck at everything."

I'm just going to point out that Prometheus happens on LV-223, while Alien(and sequel) took place on LV-426. LV-426 is apparently a much OLDER site given the state of the corpse. Doing research, there's speculation that the ship on 426 was escaping from 223, but I'd prefer it to be from a different location/time, perhaps carrying a precurser version of the alien in Prometheus.

I say 'precursor' because clearly the Engineers 'dialed up' the danger for xenomorphs in Prometheus - much larger infection form, for example. Ridiculously large, if you want the honest truth. It must of eaten all the supplies in the emergency pod to get that big. But, as portrayed, standard facehuggers might have a difficult time getting through the elephant nose suit. Which might have been part of the point(of the suit and the reengineering).

Very true. The one on LV-426 is so old it's fossilized whereas the ones on 223 they dissected aren't fossilized even after 2000 years of sitting there.

Considering that we don't really know what killed all the engineers on 223 it's hard to say. We do know that contact and electrical stimulation of the black goo causes engineers to disintegrate or explode (the head they stimulated with electricity exploded). We also know that from the paintings/wall imagery that the engineers are familiar with xenomorph type creatures. Presumably they've used the black goo on many worlds as a bio-weapon and it seems that the results are often "giger-esque".

Back closer to the OP: I'd suggest that the Predators wouldn't have an Engineer helmet as a trophy. If they managed to kill one why wouldn't they do what they normally do and claim the skull? It also goes along with the feeling that Ridley Scott and Damon Lindeloff wanted to seperate their mythology from the AvP mythology.

its possible that the predadtor settled for the helmet because the jockey went bang?

as for the xenomorph in prometheus, i got the feeling that was the proto-form whereas the egg cache on the bomber was the finished product being sent to make another death world. at the very least it was probably an irregular lifecycle (using shaw as an improptu egg, the size, not to mention difference between the chestburster and human-derived/runner/predalien/newborn)

There was also that shrine of a fully formed Xenomorph on the Engineer's ship, so the Engineers had already made normal Xenomorphs.

yes, and presumably they created the queen*/eggs in more controlled circumstances than than david's black goo + holloway + shaw + sex = giant face-hugger approach

*i know AvP/A3/AR are considered non-canon, but whats scott's opinion on aliens?

Personally, if there was any connection, I wouldn't be surprised if the Engineers gave life to the Predators or even gave them technology. Would be interesting if Engineers hieroglyphics were copied by the Predators when they taught man how to make pyramids.

Ya know, I've noticed some similarities awhile ago between the Preds and the Xenos. Two sets of jaws, both like warm environs (at least the ones in Aliens did; unless that was body heat,) can't remember the rest, but there were some more. I'm sure this could be expanded upon/incorporated into a backstory.

I've heard a theory that the engineers are obsessed with the idea of the cycle of life and death. hence the "guy kills himself at the beginning" and also their deciding to destroy the earth at about the same time that we started making headway into prolonging our lives

it explains his killing of the old man and the robot. and his smile beforehand. he thought it was funny, ironic. a robot; the ultimate affront to his ideology, helping an old man ask for immortality from him.

No doubt. But there has been fanon from before the triceratops skull (possibly insipred by the psuedo-T-rex one) where the Pred ships are also capable of going through time itself. The difference being that only the head Pred Elder knows how to do it/activate it.

Could you point the Space Jockey head/helmet out to me? I'm not really seeing it.

Is it the top one, third row from the right side of the picture?

What is that from? It looks kind of intriguing.

Yup that's it with the trunk.