Engineers (Space Jockeys) in Predator vs Alien verse

It's from one of the DarkHorse comics, called "Destroying Angels", I think. The jockey gets facehugged and the resulting xenomorph is ginormous, and hostile to human-born xenos.

EDIT: The AvP wiki had an article about said ginormous xeno, but it apparently got deleted/replaced by an article on the pseudo-xenomorph from Prometheus. Still managed to find a picture of it:

Can I just say I love the goofy reaction shots of the various hoo-man characters at the top of the page?

In the audio commentary of Alien Scott states that that the creature was always in a spacesuit. That was back in 2003, before Prometheus took shape, so its safe to say that the creature was always in a suit, just not as small as what we see in Prometheus.

And it is very easy to keep both the Engineers, Xenos, and Predators from the two (or three depending how you count them) franchises in one universe. The Predators to my mind always appeared as a dying race. They are always depicted as having ancient articles that are passed down, even the novels almost never talk about artisans of any kind in their society. I seem them as one of the races uplifted by the Engineers and they up and misbehaved. Misbehavior or something leads to their civilization being destroyed by xeno-egg bombardment and their remaining civ starts by hunting down the xenos, but it turns more and more towards tribalism and their society degrades to what we see.

Honestly I was hoping one of the AvP films was going to touch on this by having the Preds go nuts over humans finding Engineer remains. War-footing nuts just as a major xeno infestation begins. Everything ends with an Engineer ship blowing the shit outta both sides.

There is allot of fun that can be had and yet the schlock seen above is what we get.

Now that I hear this the Space Jockey's "trunk" does look like it might be an air hose (see the big pic in this article to see what I'm talking about). It always struck me as a bit funny that the trunk (as I remember) seemed to be fused to the chest.

The real unfortunate thing is that the Engineer on LV-426 is 3 times the height of those found on LV-223. Helmet or no, it's sort of weird that the Engineers devolved to practically pygmy size.

getting smaller isn't necessarily 'devolving', besides that there's still room for them being a bit like some reptiles - growth never stops.

We also have to note the one on LV-426 is a biosuit. Who is to say they don't pull a ID4 alien.

The LV-426 is a biosuit, but in Prometheus the same biosuit design appears to be a second skin or hardly bulkier.

And Hopefully they address the issue in the sequel, and don't just ignore the implications or possibilities of either separate races, multiple races, or Firethorn's idea of growth never stopping.

How about a different culture of Engineers, whether separate philosophy/civilization or just separated by time, where the one that made the ship that crashed on 426 specialize a bit more - the pilot was a pilot, thus the size and apparent difficulty moving from the seat.

Separate race might be right - heck, they could have different castes with wildly different morphology.

Hmm... Crazy idea about the Earth - Circle of Life/Death tendencies, with the intention to make a near-engineer race for bioweapon testing purposes(IE we were going to be hit by it). Or perhaps we were formed by a rebel committing a sort of ritual suicide, then the others discovered us and decided to do disposal.

Has there ever been any contact with other alien species by humans in the original Aliens verse? I don't know if it was ever mentioned or not but I have never read any of the eu comics etc.

And I have always thought it was strange how the Weyland Yutani execs were never interested in the actual ship found on LV426, just the man sized bugs. An actual fossilized ship that is somehow still functioning but bug people are just more interesting.

I always imagined the giant Engineer was a larger bio-exo-suit or something like that. Just makes more sense to me... and usually they always said that the Company was interested in the Xenomorphs as bioweapons. Would make more sense for them to be interested in the ship but...

A giant alien spaceship would probably be immediately taken over by the government, or at least would be so public that other corporations would send expeditions of their own. Smuggling a space bug back to earth was a lot quieter.

As for why WY didn't want the ship, keep in mind they had no way of knowing how to fly it (assuming David hadn't made his way back to Earth), and just because the glowy field in the facehugger room was still active, there was no guarantee the rest of the ship was functional.

Y'know, this may be me being vindictive towards Prometheus, but eh, if the SJs were ever involved in the AvP verse, I'd prefer them just getting slapped out of the way by the title space critters, before they resume trying to kill each other. Before Prometheus, I never really cared about the Space Jockey; the Xenos and Ripley (and the Marines in Aliens) were what got me into the series. And after Prometheus, my opinion of them went from apathy, to just wanting to laugh at their misfortune. Yeah, its terribly petty of my, but still.

I think we just have to assume that there's one one or more alien species out there (Mala'kak?) that just happen to vaguely resemble Space Jockey biosuits.

Goofy faces, a Doug Wheatley specialty.

Arcturians?

Well, so far as personal feeling is concerned, I hate everything except the USCM and the Prometheus Space Jockeys.

If you get into the EU comics it eventually happens, of course. The best answer I can give is 'not officially'.

I might be misremembering, but the ship on LV426 wasn't operational outside of maybe the beacon.

The government taking the ship might be a point, but I get the feeling that Weyland-Yutai would be powerful enough to get the government to PAY them to study the ship in question. Conspiracy theory: They've already studied an engineer ship, and for whatever reason they're better at nano/biotech than they are at shipbuilding; human ships are technically superior, in that they're cheaper for the capability - A human ship at 1/10th the cost is half as good, but most ships max out at 1/100th the cost.

The majority of life in the comic and novel EU appears to be either:

A) non-sentient
or
B) ancient and dead

A) becomes the prey animals of Predators, the breeding population of Xenos, or used and abused by the sprouting Terrans who are spreading like hamsters.
B) was likely wiped out by the Predators, the Xenos, or the Engineers.

Doesn't matter, the ship on LV-426 is destroyed in the EU comics by Ripley on a 3rd visit to the planet. She finally uses orbital tac-nukes to be sure. There is a comic where a Pred Ship nearly gets captured (AvP Duel) but the Preds are real good about humans not getting their hands on their equipment and the comic AvP: War implies that the Preds killed the human survivors of Duel and took their ship back.

In the Earth Hive novel they show that governments are pretty much competing with corporations in the scientific arena, up to the point where an interstellar corp based on Earth sends a ship to assault a Colonial Marine transport.

I would go with this theory, but I find it more likely that the ship, like the engineer has calcified and thus does not lend itself towards learning technical details. Its also possible that W-Y does get to the ship after Aliens and has a massive technological leap forward due to uncovering it. Since Alien 3 takes place on a prison planet and Alien Rez is in the future and made by a mentally retarded individual, we just don't know what happens.
Even the EU is hampered by the fact that technological progress is frozen by the Xeno invasion of Earth.

regarding W-Y's interest in the xeno's: anyone get the feeling that after weyland's antics in prometheus put his company in sufficent chaos to require a merger with yutani; the two companies compared notes on aliens they'd knowledge on:

Yutani - Predators:
Hostile to Humans
killed by xenos

Weyland - Engineers*:
Hostile to humans
killed by xenos

clearly there is a common solution to both problems...

*provided weyland co. gets a clear image of how badly their glorious leader and his band-picked merry band of lunatics, fundies and incompetants screwed up

So basically the galaxy is hostile and if you're not a Xeno, Pred, Human or Engineer, you're fucked?

Humans are regularly fucked, it's just that we're tough enough and yet breed fast enough that we're slightly less fucked as a species.

Engineers are a dead race in the EU. Most of the authors attribute it to xenos in some lame ass way, but even that rings as rather a bullshit reason. Preds are a declining power from what can be told, as their technology never really improves, their society doesn't evolve, and even though they can breed at a rather ferocious rate they tend to die in various ways. Mix the stupidity of Klingon honor killings without the expansionist tendencies, and make them all about macho one-on-one hunting. In universe I give them about a century before humans have caught up enough technologically to start eliminating them.
Even AvP: Hunters Planet, which has the Preds going to war, gives them casualties in what should have been a much more one-sided battle. They have no artillery support, no real tactics, they just go from individual hunters with semi-auto's to pack hunters with full auto's. Their armor is the same and they don't show real strategic or tactical thinking.
Xenos are just really dangerous fauna, the Preds have made them their bitch, the humans are starting to do the same in the comics after Earth Hive. Its even mentioned in the comics that Earth was allowed to become infested in the end so the military can create their own world when they return.
In the EU the xenos have become a tool and the humans infighting is the only thing that gives them power.