how big/strong would you have to be to use an M230 chaingun as a weapon?

Need power armour gun wieghs 120lb plus ammo and power supply.In an emergency power armour dude could fire it from hip ,but,it heavy needs power and the ammo is heavy and bulky.

It's certainly more manageable to fire it from a bipod, but it's certainly possible to fire them standing.



No, I am talking about the 6P62.



Depending on source it is either an automatic antimaterial rifle or a light machine gun.

In any case, the strength needed to actually carry around a linkless-feed 30mm chaingun with power supply, ammunition, etc, easily enough to use on a battlefield for an extended time will almost certainly be greater than the strength needed to just stand the recoil.[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6P62

Not only it has a short barrel, reducing it's muzzle velocity by about 20-25% from the standard of it's round, and has an advanced recoil reduction system, but despite that it is considered to be inaccurate even in single shots anyway. It proves it can be done, but it also proves that the weight and recoil related downsides are so crippling it's impractical.

You need to be a terminator to carry around a 52kg gun all day. The Smart gun was on a steady cam harness and was far lighter and the actors still were exhausted.

This is about the same as strapping a 12 year old to your chest in a rig and then going for a walk.

a smaller person could pull off a weapon like this (with lower Rate of fire) for a short time. you could pull off a "smart gun" harness to fire semi-auto 30mm cannon fire with a human in the upper strength / fitness range. i mean, don't expect him to march anywhere, but sure, why not. if you just need him to walk through a building or perhaps a mall and level it, sure. ammo will be limited.

if you want full auto... well, not standing up. put a bipod on it, and an "average" japanese soldier can (and did) use a 20mm autocannon in war.

Well probably because you can airburst 30mm rounds over cover.

You're also using a much stronger soldier, and not just using a steady cam. You're actually using a powered servo like the Smartgun is supposed to be.

Hence, caseless ammo.

The matter is, is some lunatic thought it would be a good idea to create a division of half ton biomechanicalish biped super soldiers, and now you need to justify making them strong enough to bench press trucks

Isn't being able to throw a truck justification enough?

Unfortunately not.

Someone told the higher ups it was actually more effective to drive a truck into someone at 70 miles an hour than it was to throw it at them at 25

Wait, I'm seeing a solution here. This is an argument that bench pressing a truck is not strong enough.

Hey, you're right!


Now our guys don't even need to have guns. They can just carry around Mark 84 bombs on their backs and throw them at people!

if thats what you're looking for you don't need the speed you're dealing with.

What if the cover is two kilometers away?

(and they're insulting your mother!)

then you GO there and kill them.

Then you use a Davy Crockett not some silly gun.

ctrl F + Vulcan Raven = not found

SB, I am disappoint.

Because gatling guns are over-saturated! We need to come up with more original giant and over complicated guns for our action soldiers to fire from the hip!

as I recall, iron monger uses a shortened 30mm rotary cannon to fight iron man.

But the fact that it's a vulcan/gatling gun makes it so overused


Why can't chain guns get love?

hey, I'm the one that first suggested using a BMG chain gun.

I'm not sure it'd be THAT big.



This is a 25X137mm bushmaster. It's longer than the rounds used by the M230 chaingun (not even accounting for them being caseless), and the ammo container wouldn't be so outrageous for something built like this.

I think what Variel meant is that you'd have to scale down the weapon a little bit to save on size/ammo concerns. IE a SPARTAN could tote a fully-automatic 20mm around,but 30mm would add...a LOT of overall mass.

The way I see it, a SPARTAN in MJOLINOR armor can casually dual-wieldanything below 12.7mm ammo-using weaponry, easily tote around 12.7mm-20mm using weaponry easily but it will take a two-handed grip, and 30mm on up is where even a SPARTAN would have problems wielding it, or would be reduced to single-shot fire only. Which seems fine by me, honestly; if you really NEED to use full-auto 30mm weaponry, build a dedicated war machine to wield it (like say, a light mech, such as the Terran Goliath from StarCraft)

Except the soldier(it's not necessarily a Spartan) isn't just relying on a two handed grip. He's got the powered servo attached to the gun to help with the load bearing and recoil compensation.

If smaller you mean a 200lb+ male then I agree as it took said male to use the M2 iike a rifle and this is much stronger then that even with the floating harness.

The Type 97 was meant to be fired from a bipod. If you tried to picked that up and fire it from the shoulder you might as well be Ceres Victoria. Bitches love cannons.

The idea isn't to use the chaingun as a heavy weapon. It's a mobile squad fire support weapon that needs to be mobile.


Crew weapons for troops like this that needed bipods or tripods would probably be closer to full out artillery field pieces.

that weapon appears to actually have significantly less penetration than the BMG.

so again.

BMG.

Wait, so heavy Japanese anti tank rifles were less effective at killing tanks than American Heavy machine guns?

why do Japanese WW2 guns suck so much!?