err when you kill molecule man and are specifically given an in canon power up by editorial mandate there is literally no way you can argue against that guys power unless you want to go the joeph leob and larry hama route and ask the mods to consider Dark avengers run non canon I'm with you on this I hate the character and think what the free power up was bullshit...but you can't deny it or his present operating capacity..seeing as it was an official retcon...unless you decide to overule canon..and go with consistent feats CBR-style which..I' wont try and dispute..its not worth defending bob and SBP is one of the most masturbated by author characters in comics right now and was operating on a temporary power up that made him obscenely strong and then I think mxy revealed he basically jobbed to prime for the lulz..and could casually give him what he wanted including resurrecting his entire universe...but decided that wouldn't be fun basically you look at the guys entire history of feats including..what joker did with his powers...and you get a guy whio could of likely...killed prime with a thought and retconned the DC multiverse and undue IC and all of his damage with a thought he is disgustingly powerful...and the writers had him job to prime that was an insult to mxy and a slap in the face to long time DC readers oh and for image Supreme needs to be above prime..he's closer to pc superman and mon el then he is..to post crises characters KC supes and glads need to be on the same tier unless starlins run was totally retconned...that is not at all true it was omniversal all of marvel was under his direct control and he even managed to convince the LT not only to not oppose him but to let thanos "absorb him"
Point still stands ,he stalemated a Genis who didnt want to fight, and lost to Absorbing Man. And was killed by "Classic" Thor and a helicarrier. At best that makes The Sentry/Void at Retcon MM level. Mxy seems to me to be at Jaspers Level, no higher. As for Thanos, i heard repeatedly that it was non canon or one universe, if it is canon than he is in tier 2/1
those prior feats don't count though because the editors went out of there way to make sure they didnt count and hand waved the guy an entirely new PL... thats my issue with just air brushing it away it can't be..it was an exec hit..official wank juice injection Joker controlling ninety nine or so percent of his powers was continuously remaking the entire DC multiverse all the time non stop..and turned the spectre into a friggen bird the man..is much much much more powerful then people give him credit for well marvel the end likely isn't canon..no...no i dont think it is..but its PL? was omniversal...like i said he eventually got to where...he was above the LT..and became..an extension of the one above all who needed thanos to barrow his powers to do some cosmoc chemotherapy on the marvel itself or some really dumb shit like that
I think that we split the Sentry as the normal one, than the Sentry/Void combo Mxy sounds like Mad Jim Jaspers . And Thanos will be moved up to were I had him previously. Just under Elaine.
sounds fair enough he is slightly less insane more hilarious version yeah...I'm not sure where mjj is power wise besides "can floor galactus like a joke" and being massively multiversal it depends on if you thnk the LT took a dive against him and allowed himself to be "absorbed" or what ever or if thanos actually offed the guy and yeah I'ma harp on my man supreme a little more at being above SBP as top tier there..or closer to silver age levels
Well I believe MJJ replaced Eternity and raped the universe. So we have Hyperion and King Hyperion, were do you put them?
I just noticed Frankin Richards, shouldnt he be higher? He is always compared to Galactus and has shown the power to create and is said to be able to destroy universes. I am still unsure of Scarlet Witch. She was defeated by Vulcan but was a threat to several universes.
hyperion from marvel? one of them fought gladiator in an massively FTL battle where both men displayed absolutely sick strength feats seriously both gladz and hypes biceps where putting out shockwaves capable of blasting apart multiple planets...dozens of times per nano second...before G man broke his neck I'm not sure if that version was the same as the ones your bringing up but superman level..if not KC supes level when your pecks can planet bust just from flexing them in a grapple fest your pretty sick i mean assuming thats the right Hyperion
Tier 1 Great Evil Beast Great Light Yahweh The Presence(Dc)/The One Above All(Marvel Elaine Belloc Tier 2 - Multiversal Beings Thanos with the Heart of The Universe PR Beyonder Michael Demiurgos Living Tribunal Lucifer Morningstar Synnar Infinity Gauntlet. Phoenix of the White Crown Taimut the Dreamer Mandrakk the Dark Moniter Scathan the Approver Nemesis Tier 3 - In-between Beings Endless Mad Jim Jaspers/The Fury/Mxy/PreRetcon Molecule Man The Spectre Tier 4 – Highest End Cosmics Akhenaten with the power from the Heart of the Universe Eternity/Infinity, Death/Oblivion Kismet (DC) Emperor Joker Mistress Love/Master Hate, Master Order/Lord Chaos Anti-Moniter/Moniter Six Archangels - Books of magic Phoenix Force/Goblin Force Abraxas/Darksied with the ALE Exitar the Executioner Galactus/Imperiex/Ion/Parallex Zom/Shuma Goratha Timazo The Beyonder(Post Retcon) Molecule Man(Post Retcon)/The Sentry Void JLU Amazo Tier 5 - High End Cosmics The Phantom Stranger Superman Prime Stranger Epoch Eon Dark Phoenix Chronos Sesi-Neg Krona(JLA/Avengers) Franklin Richards Aegis & Tenebrous Dormammu The Vishanti Trinity of Ashes Nabu/The Lords of Order The Quintessence(dc) Cyttorak (The Octessence) Tyrant High Evolutionary Merlyn(Marvel) Roma Pluto The Watchers Atum Demogorge the God Eater/Gog(DC) Elder Gods Umar Tier 6 - Skyfathers Rune Lord Thor/Wonderwoman Goddess of Truth Zeus/Vishnu/Odin/Yahweh(Marvel)Bor/Hercules (Skyfather) Highfather (DC) Shazam Dr.Strange ( Height) Dr Fate(Kent) Braniac 13/the Doctor/Jenny Quantum God / Satan / Spawn (Image) Surtur Mordru Seth Fenris The Radiant Crazy MarV-eL Mephisto Zatanna Inbetweener 8th Day Juggernaut/Trion Juggernaut Neron(DC)/Daimon Hellstrom/ Thanos/Etrigan Morg with the Waters of Life Doomsday Silver Surfer Pre Crisis Superman Pre Crisis Wonder Woman/ Pre Crisis Captain Marvel/Billy Bastion as Shazaam Onslaught Genis-Vel Blackheart Mangog (Marvel) Midguard Serpant Adam Warlock (current) Zarathos Earth's Shaman King Hyperion/Supreme Lobo Tier 7 - Omega level Super Boy Prime/Gladiator/Xenith/Hyperion Nate Grey/Shaman The Sentry Superman/Classic Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Desak the God Slayer/ Wonderwoman/Captain Marvel/Black Adam/Mr. Majestic/ Morgan La Fay Powergirl/Martian Man Hunter The Fallen One/Vulcan Clea The Six Fingered Hand Tier 8 Drax the Destroyer/Absorbing Man Squirrel Girl** Scarlet Witch Morg/Mongul Ghost Rider Quasar Terrax Dr. Strange (current)/Baron Mordo Black Bolt Red Shift Star Dust Nova/Annihius Firelord, Nova(Herald) Hulk/Iceman/Magneto Apocalypse Rulk Hercules Ragnarok Super Skrull
put mxy above emperor Joker (seeing as joker was wielding his powers)...rune thor with the celestials Odin above every one you grouped him with supreme above SBP and Micheal needs to be below the LT he has no business being above him the endless as far as I know don't even have feats comparable to Galactus best..so I'm not sure why they are so high you should put the PC Kent Nelson version of Dr fate and classic Dr strange in the low end skyfather realm Nelson Fate made PC superman look like a useless powder puff newbie and had superman openly admitting Nelson was his superior in every conceivable way (including strength) and Classic pre pussification strange was a god damned monster who was even with PC nelson in terms of feats...neither of these guys deserve to be so low on the list...they'd both utterly rape stomp prime...and every single top tier omega including supreme Shuma Gorath needs to be on the same tier as the celestials/galactus theres no reason for nate gray or franklin to be beneath superman when they are both..fully capable of slaughtering even prime with utter impunity the GL's and heralds of Galactus the top tiers any ways need to be above prime as well him beating heralds...was absolute non sense...especially when you remove PIS/CIS from the equation again Gladiator belongs below prime..if not outright on his level
Rune Lord Thor hasn't shown anything to say he's near the Celestial's. Got any scans? I already have Mxy above the Joker. Odin may be an Sky Father, but still there isn't anything to show that he would be higher. Michael/Lucifer are still one-two in the DC verse after Elaine and Yahweh. Shuma isn't that far above Zom, who required the LT to step in to stop. Nate Grey/Shaman I know too little about Franklin is high enough I think, unless we move Prime down.. Terrax is a jobber, Firelord and the rest arn't too impressive as Thor/The Sentry/Ravenous/BRB have smacked most of them. Gladiator has good showings, and than had major issues with Masterson Thor, but I may move him up. What about Superman 1million?
Adding Maelstrom Professor Charles Xavier Deathurge Jack of Hearts The Protege The Shaper of Worlds Kosmos Kubik The Elders Grandmaster
Wheres does Metron and the rest of the New Gods fall? Oh and Darkseid (with or without the ALE)? EDIT: Also, Athena, Aphrodite, and Ares (which I believe were the three of the Greek Pantheon which were strengthened in the modern day), with Athena now the leader of Olympus.
Right there with Timazo and Cosmic Extant since both of them are just slightly lesser versions of Metron
Doomsday took a direct shot from Imperiex. Sure it killed him, but he came back anyway and should be immune to a blast of that power. Also Doomsday at his height beat the ever living shit out of Darkseid to the point where Darkseid had to be saved by a Mother Box. I agree that Superman wouldn't be able to touch Odin, but Doomsday would. It's why Superman was utterly useless against Doomsday in Hunter Prey. Doomsday is too low on the list and should be, at the bare minimum, at the top of the Skyfather list. Doomsday is more or less a walking no-limits fallacy. You pretty much need to be an upper Tier 4 to permenantly kill him or remove him permanently from the universe. If Imperiex could not do it, then there is no chance anyone below him could either.
you can go to KMC for those [ shaking the entire multiverse with a palm blast causing your presence to be felt across every level of reality blowing away time lines and alternate dimensions...with your battle aura and nearly destroying the universe when you get serious? what other skyfathers come even remotely close to that? the answer is none he is undisputed top dog of that tier it seemed as though you placed them above the LT power wise that was my response my bad Zom has never canonically required the auto destruct of an entire universe to way lay him for a few eons...nor been a multiversal threat Shuma has a jobber who can casually split planets in half..and tank world busters Fire lord has out putted attacks strong enough that Norrins had to run from him and loosing to BRB who..can survive solar system destroying events fight gladiator across multiple galaxies in battles that span seconds....and let loose world destroying force is by no means a low showing [ an alternate time line version of him who was old weakened previously and exhausted jobbed out to him because he wasn't even trying to actually fight him that does not outweigh decades of the guy no selling attacks from skyfathers eating solar system destroying attacks point blank with no damage and propelling himself through stars and over coming time stops by moving faster that's the one that had GL powers and was ripping through reality and recreating a bunch of different time lines while dying? also supreme needs and i can't stress this enough needs to be higher then emo bitch prime... and you have to move strange and nelson fate to low tier skyfather....I'd also put pre crises darkseid on the same tier as highfaher ....no just no and imperix..honestly using anything from a leob comic as valid evidence is just really bad his stuff should be banned due to massive ooc and author wank also Doomsdays not resisting attacks that for example can retcon entire realities from existing...some of the high tier skyfathers can do this a guy like imperix or galactus raping doomsday into nothingness is the out come anything less is just complete and utter PIS that should not ever be taken seriously
I know this is a silly question....but when Lucifer (DC) created the multiverse are there any scanned pictures of him creating galaxies? Reason is people wank the character slly but I honestly do not the remember any instances, so unless my mind is playing tricks should he be lower?
