Discussion in 'The Index' started by SotF, Apr 23, 2012.
With the last one reaching the limit
Bit early, but meh.
I could see Humanity holding off a Pre-Genophage Krogan, admittedly at such a cost it'd be a Pyrrhic victory at most.
Ditto. I see it as a mini Earth-Minbari War from Babylon-5. Humanity is outclassed but surrender isn't an option, well war doesn't last long enough for it to become a political reality for earth.
The Council after they find out about what started the war from the STG probably. Force an ending to the war through diplomatic means.
Maybe really borrow from the EMW and have a Krogan flagship killed with the ME equalvalent of John Sheridan?
Depends on how much time we have to devlop before we get into the war
to little time: we get curbstomped
just enough: win by the skin of our teeth with genophage
bit more: skin of our teeth with convertional warfare
A lot more: ????
The genophage is not something you develop overnight. The Salarians literally had centuries of experience with krogan physiology when they made it. Humans are not going to design something like that over the course of a few years. For that matter, they wouldn't even try- if they wanted to go the biowarfare route they'd try to develop something that kills krogan, not something that limits their growth.
Wait, didn't the Krogan have nukes too? IIRC Tuchanka was a victim of a nuclear war, and that's pre-Uplift.
Not to mention they have other creative addition of firepower in the form of dropping asteroids into defended areas.
what i never got is how the krogan were such a threat. sure they reproduced quickly, and were hell to fight in ground combat, but where the f**k did they get enough eezo to matter?!
All the tank like grunts in the world mean shit when you can't ship them to another planet. Plus you'd have to achieve orbital superiority first to even MATTER.
So seriously. HOW DID THE KROGANS GET SO MUCH DAMNED EEZO?!
Lots of liberating from Asari and Salarian depots?
Alternatively, they used captured Asari/Salarian vessels as spare fuel.
The best way (well the only way if you ask me) to do this believably is to not have it be a full scale war. I could see humanity holding the line against a "small" Krogan detachment sent on "aggressive recon." Then the Council steps in before the Krogan exterminate a new race (possibly again).
Humanity couldn't stand up to pre-genophage Krogan unless they had a reason to build up a massive military and then they could do it by using the Arcturus system as a choke point.
That makes it impossible for the other side not to have shit-tons more ships than the krogan, basically guaranteeing that they weren't a threat...
Hmm... Maybe they did something like crack open a relay and harvest metric shit-tons of free eezo from it?
that sounds like something a Krogan would do
Find a random relay that either doesnt have a partner or leads to a redundant place, and crack it like an egg to get its juicy insides.
That way the Krogan could be shitting cruisers like the council races make figates. crude cruisers, but still more than effective enough.
IDK, not even the Krogan would be THAT insane.
They were the military arm of citadel for the bug war. They were armed becuase they were given weapons by everyone else to fight the Rachi.
Hey! I'm just putting out ideas guys! I didn't completely think them through.
As GRUNTS though. And that wouldn't explain them being able to replace lost ships at a rate that would even be vaguely threatening....
Well, remember, the Rebellions didn't take place right away...The krogans were uplifted to fight the rachini but the krogans aren't stupid.
Given that they could master the atomic bomb, they obviously could understand the tech of the salarians/asari.
After a few decades, the krogans probably had their own fleet of ships et al....
(and yeah, no way would humanity even bother with a genophage..they would give full out with a weapon designed to kill them all off)
That krogan are unsophisticated brutes who can't make things worth a damn are an exaggeration based on the behaviors of krogan mercenaries of post-Genophage generations.
Consider this. Before the salarians uplifted them they have already advanced to the industrial age - they even have nuclear wars. That means for all that chest-pounding bravado of glorious front-line fighting even the krogans can appreciate advanced technology, and the occupations related to them like engineers and scientists.
Since the sinews of future war are money and supplies, it's not really a stretch to believe that the krogan have miners and shipbuilders too. They might be considered second-class citizens, nowhere as attention-grabbing as the warriors and without access to cutting-edge techs like the salarian and the asari, but in enough number to arm the rebellion.
Their intelligence is not the problem. The problem is that they are getting so much freaking eezo SOMEHOW that they are pushing back the combined military and industrial capacities of multiple larger, older civilizations.
Thats HAXX levels of bullshit...
Either they did something out of the box to secure huge eezo reserves such as mining a mass relay, or something else happened like them getting supplied huge amounts of eezo by another race, aka through the collectors or something.
Or maybe, the Krogan were smart enough to have spent a lengthy period of time PLANNING the Rebellions?
Doing things like amassing stockpiles of Eezo, mass producing ships....
The krogan were given a large number of planets, and took a number by force before the krogan rebellions broke out properly. They had a very large population, a large number of worlds, and by extension a very large mining industry. They also happen to be more physically resistant to environmental hazards than Asari and Salarians; it's one of the reasons they got uplifted. They could run eezo mining operations in places that Asari or Salarians might deem to dangerous or not cost effective. There's no need for anything as dramatic as cracking a mass relay.
that would have tipped the other races off something fierce. That sort of thing is very obvious and telling...
True. However something being obvious doesn't mean people will stop it from happening. See World War 2.. For example.
They have four centuries to stockpile and prepare. The rest from plunder.
Do you really think a non-Wrex led Krogan nation would send a 'small' detachment to 'recon' some upstart nation when they want their stuff?
No, they'd do it Mongol style. And if there's a stiff resistance? Pour on the hurt with millions more troops.
No, I just can't see a Krogan empire that wouldn't eventually take over the galaxy if not stopped. They just lack the physiology necessary to any kind of sustainable culture if they're not being constantly pushed to the edge of extinction.
There's a story where they covered this. Krogan's didn't get any warships from the uplifts, but they did get a lot of converted merchantman freighters. They then filled those merchantmen with rocks (making them tougher through sheer mass) and sent them on suicide courses with defending forces.
So while they didn't have dreadnoughts of their own, they had plenty of ships and could smash Council space forces on the cheap.
And as already pointed out, they had centuries to build up reserves while also snatching Council worlds for their own.
Got to say though, the Council is one of the most laid back entities ever. Taking over whole worlds of theirs? Ehh, they'll just wring their hands about it.
the stockpiling requires them to consciously band together and make a concertive effort to prepare for a future centuries in advance.
sorry, but i can't see the Krogans cooperating that much for so long... they infight so damned much they blasted themselves back to low tech only to be uplifted.
Krogans fight each other way too much. the Rachni wars seemed far more like the council races coming and saying 'hey, who wants to fight some awesome enemies for us? we'll give you treats!'. And the Krogan Rebellion seemed more like the Krogans going all 'hey, council space is free for lootin! grab your gear, we're going shopping for shit!'
Krogans remind me more of somewhat civilized Orks more than anything else.
You'd think the Turians, aka Space Romans, wouldn't send a small force at an unknown enemy, but given how the Turians call the FCW "The Relay 314 Incident" they clearly didn't send that much against it. I was thinking the Krogan stumble across humanity somewhat like the Turians did in canon and then have that "small" detachment perform "aggressive recon" while the main force comes in.
That main force is going to draw the Citadel's attention like the Turians massing a fleet for the FCW did in canon. The suggestion was that the Krogan have already decimated some new race they made first contact with before they met humanity, so the Council keeps a close watch on them.
I see no reason to assume the Krogan would go for an all out war against a new species they discovered, especially with the Council watching them. I doubt the Citadel will watch the Krogan less than they watched the Turians. They can't just "pour it on Mongol style" because then the Citadel will want to know exactly who they're trying to kill this time.
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