I might add to this reply so it may get edited later. I want to state that what "An Ancient's" Specific argument is that condoms are not effective if not used by either professionals or in laboratory tests. That is what I am asking him to provide evidence of....Not that they may be inconsistently used. I realize that sometimes they do fail but that it is not as large a number as he seems to be trying to promote. I am trying to discuss that promoting the use of condoms is not a bad thing. Of course, I advocate trying to get a more complete sex education about risk factors. I also try to state that the open discussion of sex is a good thing and not a bad thing. Dealing with religious people on different boards and they don't seem to want sex taught openly. We are talking about many people who think that masturbation is harmful. I also apologize for stating that you did not read the article. The tone you seemed to be portraying it and the tone it has appeared to be different. Edit: I am not seeing, if I understand you correctly, that there is increased risk behavior because of condoms and condom education? There may be increased risks because of a more urban environment and other factors.