Discussion in 'Vs. Debates' started by Cancelled for A, Mar 13, 2012.
The battle takes place within the White Tower.
What is a bump just not good enough for you???:wtf:
Oh and Rand.
Itachi’s only real chance is if its zombe-Itachi. Rand might actually have some trouble then.:drevil:
Really? I don't know man. His defense is pretty strong. And Rand has to watch out for his sword.
Balefire'll be hard to deal with, but other than that Itachi(or Zombie Itachi) pretty much has this in the bag.
Itachi may have the edge on reaction time, but both have a wide variety of attacks they can throw at eachother. Rand can't defend against the Sword of Totsuka, but Itachi can't defend against Balefire. It basically comes down to who resorts to those first.
JesusRand has a literal in universe plot shield.
And anything less can be said about the Uchiha in Narutoverse? Just look at some of the hax that Sasuke has pulled off!
The Mirror shields? Duh.
The bullshit hax they pull out of their asses is immeasurable
Balefire is pretty fundamentally different from everything we've seen so far in Narutoverse; it burns through the fabric of reality when it hit something, and there's no telling what will happen when it hits the Mirror.
Although, Cuendillar is immune to Balefire, but AFAIK it's not explained how that shit works.
If someone could provide me with that one comic of Deidara confronting Sasuke on his bullshit i'd be much obliged, i need to book mark it
They both have the same mental speed feat(reacting fast enough to block lighting after it was fired), but for Itachi that just means he can use jutsu he doesn’t need to move to use(witch means the Sharingan and most of the related jutsu), but for Rand all his weaves or used mentally.
And Rand’s “make you explode in to hamburger meat” weave kills a lot faster then Itachi’s Amaterasu even if he does get it off.
And all this isn’t even including current Rand. With current Rand Itachi’s chakra-network just randomly explodes by pure happenstance.:drevil:
If said Itachi doesn't happen to be a clone that is. Using Ametsuru on someone, just to dodge it you need super speed, and to actively stop it from coming after you is nearly impossible to stop. And worst comes to worse, they make eye contact.
EDIT: Wait wait, you mean to tell me Rand has the reaction speed of hundred thousandth of a second speed reflex? Now I know you're bull shiting. Itachi isn't fast enough to react lightning from the actual storm either, he merely stopped it before it happened. There's a fast difference between lightning from a storm coming at you and lightning coming at you from being made from someone.
When did they say Cuendillar is immune to balefire? I dont remember that, I thought nothing was immune to balefire?
As for the whether that mirror works, im not sure, balefire after all doesent just burn a hole in reality you know, it burns a hole through the fate of an object itself as well as burns away its history making whatever it did unhappen, how far back depending on the strength of the balefire. So against that mirror wouldnt just by touching it the mirror cease to exist seeing how its very existence in the pattern (otherwise known as fate) has been burned away?
As for Sasuke plot shield armor trumping Rand's, I kind of doubt it especially considering you set this as happening in the Wheel of Time's world, here fate itself actively works to keep Rand alive, and Jesus Rand being who he is basically gets to tell the Pattern to do whatever he wants it to, reminds me of that speech of his where he asks someone if they think he could stop their heart merely by wishing it so and the Pattern would bend to accommodate his wish, and that was before he became Jesus Rand I believe.
The reacting to lightning thing I believe has to do with the void thing all users of saidin wrap around their thoughts while channeling, they mention how the void makes it like they can feel everything around them, and saidin sharpens senses to super human levels even further, up to and including feeling the very particles in the air, maybe he felt it ionize or something so knew to react, its why blade masters are basically considered unequaled with their blades, they've all mastered that technique. Or it could be the author doesn't realize what he's talking about lol
Now that you mention it I can’t remember if Itachi reacted after the was fired or before(he defiantly didn’t stop it before it happened though). Rand has defiantly reacted after it was fired though, so he may acutely have faster reaction times then Itachi.;7
No, Itachi reacted in the moment when Kirin was close enough to burn his cloak off, but not harm Itachi(note; before Kirin, cloak. Post kirin, no cloak). As well as Sasuke not making any note, Sasuke not having any blurb, etc. supporting that the intent of the scene was Itachi reacting in the 1/1000 of a second it takes Kirin to 'reach the ground'.
It is unsure whether Sasuke meant the ground or to Itachi, but the lowest end possible if the above is true is Itachi reacting at ~mach 40.
Also; please provide evidence of the above. I vaguely remember someone bringing that up before, but don't remember the actual evidence provided. IIRC it was pretty much laughed off, though.
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Defiantly and Definitely are two different words.
Yeah, i'm pretty sure i remember something being stated about that. It's why the Dark One's seals are Cuendillar.
Meh, Balefire is OP. If it hits, it's basically a kill. But with someone as fast as Itachi, it is a question of if it hits.
It was only a jest Although, Sasuke does have Kishi on his side, and he has done seemingly impossible(or rather, extremely improbable to the point of being logically impossible). *looks at his own sig* but yeah
Wasn’t looking close enough at my spell checker.
Edit:Oh and balefires not likely to help Rand much because of it being hard to say how fast it is, but if nothing else Itachi can just aim dodge.
Witch being its Rand's best chance to kill zombe-Itachi is why I said Rand might actually have some(read a lot) of trouble with him.
Why did you have to be a cold bastard for?, jesus! the battle between them will level the tower and scare the living daylights out off Aes Sedai, Warders, and any bystander nearby.
So....How do you use Google to search the site?
Not having much luck.
Balefire is light, ergo it moves at the speed of light, and if he has calandor with him that beam could be big enough to wipe out a city
Or are we doing this were Rand doesent have access to either Callandor or especially not the Choedan Kal? Seeing how with either he could just fill the area with aoe spam Balefire or Death Gates?
Could he even survive a Death Gate? I mean I stopped reading Naruto along time ago so I'm obviously very far behind, but assuming a death gate were to cut him in half flinging the other half of himself outside of the pattern (otherwise known as reality) what would happen? Would he regenerate the other half of his body? Or would he just have to hop around for the rest of eternity? lol
I was assuming that he didn’t have them.
It would be like bringing a nuke to a knife fight, but it would “Defiantly” remove any chance for Itachi aim dodge.
Its like fate itself wants you to die.. But you just go lol!no.
This debate makes my brain hurt.
Just because something is made out of light, doesn't actually mean it moves at the speed of light in most fictions you moron. I'm sorry, but this kind of misconception is utterly retarded. It's made of light, so it MUST move at the speed of light, ergo the opponent MUST have light speed reaction times.
yea, okay. Silly arguments like gets old, real fast.
Finally found the thread I was remembering.
-The Fires of Heaven
pg-915-916 of US mmpb
And before you say he didn’t finish the shield. He was weaving it over his army not just him self. Naturally a smaller shield would be quicker.
Edit:just went to add that thread to my bookmarks for later.
Only to see it all ready was there......:wtf:
What a waste of time.......
I'd even argue that Balefire beats Izanagi if they clashed...
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