[SG1]Anyone else find this frustrating (Possible Spoilers for Ethon/Inferno/Allies)

Okay watching Stargate SG-1 I still love the show! But does anyone else find how fucking WEAK the Earth's "Battlecruisers" are to be frustrating?

I mean come ON the Daedy and Odessy are both supposed to be IMPROVEMENTS on the Prometheus yet neither seems to be any more dangerous or effective then their predecessor!

Hell Earth ships are pathetic and can't even scratch the SHIELDS of Ha'Tak much less nastier ships like Hive ships so why do we bother building them anymore?

I mean a Railgun does didly shit to a Ha'tak shield as recently seen when Odessy engaged the Ha'Tak that destroyed Baals flagship!

I mean COME ON why doesn't the SGC either steal some fucking Gou'ould guns or at LEAST get something more effective then railguns! And the missiles OMG they don't even EFFECT shields!

Anyway sorry about the rant. DOes anyone else find how patheticly weak these ships are to be frustrating? And speculation wise do you guys think any of the Earth ships might actually get some effective weapons in the future?

It anoys me but for different reasons. I would think that all of their missiles would be gigatons, blinding, bastards, of destructive, might. They really don't seem to be when they explode. But what really gets me is how they don't just launch as many missiles as they think they need all at once, instead of firing one at a time in group of two, that's really anoying.

Yeah, the earth ships have overpowered shield (thanks to the Asgard) and underpowered weapons. Sometimes I wonder why they even bother to return fire.

I think the biggest thing the Prometheus killed was an Alkesh.

But seriously, they shouldn't be waisting the railguns on Ha'Taks. Those are for Death Gliders and other small, fast ships. They should be missile-spamming the Ha'Tak with as many nukes as they can. Don't even have to be fancy enhanced nukes, anything has got to be better than the railguns.

I guess now people will stop claiming the Promy was supposed to be a match for 2 or 3 Motherships. Pre-Anubis it might very well have been, but now the Promy's replacement seems to have trouble taking on just one.

We can hope that Odyessy simply didn't have any nukes on her during that fight (being a shakedown cruise), but that wouldn't explain Promy's miserable performance in her final flight.

I gave these ships a chance. They just SUCK. Okay, I can allow Ori-derived weapon systems would own even Asgard sheilds. Fine. But her firepower is sorely lacking. Remember that episode with the Prior shield? Hitting the sheild with "everything" resulted in...four missiles. Wow.

Against Ha'Tak, these ships are just jokes. Why does the US even waste resources producing them as major combatants?

I'd wager, if they bothered to install proximity detonators to the missiles, they might actually be more effective.

I'd install a mighty cattle-plow, or a spike, at the nose. Ram them untill they give up!

They need to stop slamming the missles into their shields! Explode that super nuke infront of the shields, i bet that will do some damage.

Exactly.

Yeah, I kept wondering why they were using rail guns on major battleships. I can't belieive they are that effective of a weapon against that class of ship; but maybe they're more effective than we think.

I'm going to bet that the Odyssey just didn't have a full complement of missiles or something, because the railguns are the crappiest weapons to be using against a shielded ship. I also think that they used the railguns because they just wanted to buy a little time to rescue SG-1 before jumping away. Once they realized that SG-1 couldn't be rescued, they jumped away rather than trying to fight.

Once Odessy gets certified to combat readiness, I'm sure that we'll see it kick the glorious amounts of ass that it should be kicking. Hell, once Carter figures out how to lift the lockouts on the beaming tech the Odyssey should be able to beam nukes right on top of ships (or inside if they bring down the shields) making a single capital ship a true death dealer.

I can see it now:
*Odyssey engages a fleet of Baal's ships*
Baal clone: You will not defeat me, I outnumber you 5 to 1.
*suddenly a nuke appears in front of him*
Baal clone: That sucks
*5 Ha'Taks explode*

What they need is sheild piercing tech for thier missiles.

And maybe a faster rocket on them too.

But they shouldn't have to rely on that trick alone. I think they need to make modifications to the warheads so they detonate on contact with sheilds( which apparently the don't). And don't forget the SGC is still working on a Variant of the Goa'uld Plasma cannon. Its been several years since we've heard of any progress in that area, maybe we'll see something on it soon, I mean the SGC could sure use it since the Rail Guns as Anti-ship weapons are a complete joke and the missiles are either intercepted or breakup on contact with shields without detonating.

Carter stated something to that effect in season 4 episode 'Tangent' but since Anubis showed up on the scene with his new shields every one assumes the technology was rendered impotent as was evidenced when the Tollen Ion Cannons were no longer capable of phasing through the shields of one of Anubis's Ha'taks.

They need to fit them with much larger railguns like up to sixteen inch. They would have much bigger and powerful punch compared to dinky and small calibre railguns.

Why I get a mental picture of the Earth ships doing Cylon missile barrages?

What they need to do is lose the missiles, as they are pretty useless as is, and instead move to nuke-tipped rail guns, and they should add a surface bombardment capability outside of the fighter compliment.

BTW, whatever happened to that Asgard weapon the Prommy was supposed to have?

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Railgun rounds don't track.

What they need to do is actually strap their nukes to their missiles instead of using conventional warheads.

That's the thing, I thought they would have been smart enough to do that sort of thing already. When the missiles hit the Orii designed satilite, it is reported that the missiles detonated against the shields. They specificaly say detonate, not impacted or broke up, or anything like that. So I'm left wondering if detonate just means explode but not self engaged explosion, which in turn means they don't have a system to detonate on contact with shields, or their missiles do have a system to detonate on shield but they don't use nukes on those missiles.

Firing the rail guns was the first anoying thing that really caught my attention. If they are the same as the guns they braught to Atlantis, they can't have any effect at all. I can only imagine them being a little upwards of .50 cal.

Remember how Carter jokingly mentioned shield piercing tech a bunch of seasons back as if they were about to invent the stuff for all of their missiles? Then we get a fight were it would be perfect but they instead use a hyperspace maneuver to bypass the shields with fighters, that wasn't anoying but it was disapointing.

They could do two things to make their missiles actualy effective, fire them in salvoes of twelve, all at once, or put shields on their missiles. Actualy third as well, it was mentioned but they could use rail gun launched nuclear missiles, that would make them too fast to intercept.

I only got into SG with late season 6.....So I missed Carter's joke

Wonder if they ever finished that phaser-thingy from Avenger 2.0?

It wasn't even really a joke, it was more along the lines of, I think I just moistened my panties saying that. She even gets that sort of ;7 look to her.

What phaser, any pictures?

When did the prommie own anything? I only watched the episode where it got blasted by that Orii weapon.

Reality check, the Goa'uld have been space-borne for at least 10,000 years, the Asguard longer, the Ancients and ORi stupidly longer still. Earth has been truely spaceborne for all of 4 years. They rely on scavenged tech as much or more than the Goa'uld to even stand a chance.

As for nukes, normal ones won't do much to the Ha'tak beyond annoy it, even the 1.2GT space mines would need mass spam attacks and that would use up Earth's small supply of naquada real fast, so thats out, their supply of naquadria is even smaller so I don't think Mk IX tipped missile will be around soon.

As for beaming, since Anubis, even Asguard shields cannot beam through them IIRC.

The prometheus and daedalus class ships were built to fight the Ga'ould. That has been Earth's primary concern for the past 8 years.

Now, these ships were never designed to combat the Wraith and Ori. Unlike the Ga'ould, the Wraith can intercept missiles with hordes of darts. And unlike the Ga'ould, the Ori have weapons which can penetrate Asgard shields with ease. So obviously there will be problems. By the time a new warship designed to fight the Ori and Wraith rolls off the assembly line, these respective conflicts will probably be over. That is reasonable historically speaking, and considering space-ship designs are sizeable projects for Earth in SG-verse.

The reason the Odyssey's shields dropped to 11% was because they were not comlpete. Either they were already at less than 100% stength, or perhaps they dropped too much. But compared to the pounding that Promy and Daedalus's shields have taken, there's no way that the Odyssey's shields at full strength would drop to 11% just from a few Hatak hits.

I believe the reason the Odyssey did not open up with missiles, and instead only used rail guns was because they did not want to destroy the lucien alliance ships, starting an all out war with them, they only wanted to take their fire away from Baal's ship to save SG-1.

As for how effective Earth sihps are against their intended targets... we have never actually seen them directly engage Hataks! All their missions seem to involve jumping in, using their shields to withstand massive pounding as they carry out the mission (while using their weapons to tickle the enemy) and then jumping back out.

How did you figure that? As I remember Anubis super-ship was destroyed by a bunch of sub kiloton level blasts.