Holy shit, that was the Klendathu Drop in the background! Favorite line: "Would you like to know more?"
What else would you expect, it's Japanese. It sounds like Casper Van Dien is a better voice actor than a regular one.
It's getting boring hearing people ragging on that. As bullshit as the actual training camp was, when it comes down to fighting melee-locked giant bugs best brought down by massive saturation of firepower, moving around in a big group so you can just use a firing line on everything is about as sophisticated as tactics really need to be, and will ever be. The actual issue from the film is why it didn't work. The bugs at Klendathu that we saw in the original film weren't even running around in vast hordes, yet the massive clumps of Mobile Infantry utterly failed to score enough hits on a single enemy to stop it being able to run them down and murder a guy before it got there. Their level of marksmanship was beyond utterly absurd, every singular or small group of bugs they came across should have been horribly obliterated in moments.....much like we see happening to a bug in this new trailer in fact.
Archangel has a point. Going shoulder to shoulder is pretty much the most viable tactic if you're fighting against a massive melee horde with limited ranged weapons. The only thing you might complain about is that they're not bringing more than small arms when fighting such large animals. But again. This is a campy B military action flick. Just like the original movie. And that's what they seem to be emulating fairly well.
Shoulder to shoulder firing is good and all...but why not simply carpet nuke every bug planet from orbit and be done with it?
I submit myself to a little suspension of disbelief so we can actually have the film happen. "Humans talk casually on the bridges of starships while planets are nuked in the background" may make for an amusing short story aversion to sci-fi tropes, but it's a shit film.
Yeah, i'm just pissed at the lack of massive powerarmor with jump jets. Its animated so they could easily have used those
I don't know about jump jets, but you do see a large power armor with gatling gun just before the title splash shows (time 00:52 in the vid below). Here's a youtube version of the trailer on the previous page for those who missed it:
It's also Japanese. They probably deliberately avoided using massive power armours with jump jets because they know that would cause them to black out at some point during the process, only to wake up at the beginning of the test screening to discover they made something like Gundam and Neon Genesis Evangelion. "Oh no! It happened again! I spent all night looking at pictures of Battlemechs and Titans, but it still came over me when there were armours and....and jump jets...." "Snap out of it! Stay with us!"
Did you see many proper firing lines formed in Starship Troopers? And hell, a decent firing line needs just as much discipline and coordination as more sophisticated tactics. Does not lend its self to just charging madly in the direction they guess the enemy might be while shooting every now and then.
Yeah, i didn't think it looked too bad. At least as CG it looks more competent and exciting, unlike its previous incarnations (1 excluded)
Tsk, tsk - so much Insectophobia. The intolerance and bigotry here is shameful. Krystallnacht for arachnids. Disgusting.
Nah. The Bugs are just alien lifeforms that resemble our insects and arachnids. Insects ands arachnids on earth are fine, no harm done. For all we know ours could be closer related to rocks than to those. Earths phylums are fine, it's those damn dirty xenos that should be worried. Or panspermia is true...
While I too am a bit disappointed about no OVA style power armor. I did quite enjoy the Roughnecks series, so long as Invasion is half as awesome as that was. I will be pleased.
No. Just... no. Did you even read the book? The opening chapter has guys in huge powered armor mechs, getting shot to the surface FROM ORBIT, jump-jetting around at miles per jump, auto launching grenades out of their backpacks as they go, dropping bombs at key locations, using flame throwers and small arms when appropriate, and one of them finishing it all off with a nuclear RPG. You have several dozen of these guys going through an area, and they don't even get within visual range of each other because they don't need to. That's not the exception to the rule, that's how they do things as standard procedure. This movie looks like SHIT. It's still just marines running up to bugs and shooting at them with rifles while screaming. There's one power mech just to say "we have it, we're true to teh book!!1" but it's still shit. This is not starship troopers, and it does NOT need to be this way. I don't know WHY thy opt for these tired clichés, it's shit.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. You. Prick. Your post does not relate to mine in any way at all. I was talking about the film itself, in isolation, and the issue of everyone running around in huge groups on Klendathu....which makes sense insofar as the enemy are melee locked bugs with a decent ability to soak damage, so running around in huge groups that can lay down huge amounts of fire without ever worrying about return fire actually makes some sense when all you've got are infantry with rifles. This moved on to pointing out that the real problem is that somehow this failed, because frankly it should work. The real issue is that apparently they all missed the target consistently enough to still allow a single one of them to close range and murder a guy before going down. Then you come in and talk bollocks about how the book is different from the film, and it's totally better, and waa waa waa. If you want to have a temper tantrum that the film wasn't the book, fill your fucking boots, I don't care. But don't tack your idiot shit onto my post as a response when you're not going to say a single fucking thing that fits the context of that post.
Well, you should have clarified. Your original post indicates that this is the best tactic in general. "when it comes down to fighting melee-locked giant bugs best brought down by massive saturation of firepower, moving around in a big group so you can just use a firing line on everything is about as sophisticated as tactics really need to be, and will ever be." This is blatantly wrong for the same reason that is next quote of yours is blatantly wrong: "when all you've got are infantry with rifles." I suppose if a lone group of infantry suddenly found themselves on a hostile world without ANY support whatsoever, you might have a point... but that's not what Starship Troopers is or was. It's a full-scale war, and in many cases, a supposedly carefully thought-out and well-planned invasion. And we're not talking about Napolean Bonaparte invades Klendathu here. This is supposed to be like, what, the 30th Century? The obviously have orbital support, giant fucking mechs, and all kinds of crazy technology... and yet they rely almost entirely on infantry groups to run around and shoot things. That's not it at ALL. For the purposes of this point, I could care less if the film is true to the book or not... my point is that it's retarded in general. They could replace the bugs with robots or living trees for all I care. If they thought the mechs were stupid and replaced them with tanks and fighter planes and artillery or whatever, then fine. But they didn't. They replaced the super-mechs with barely armored infantry running around screaming and charging like they are in the American Civil War. Those tactics were outdated then, its why the war was so bloody, they're sure as hell going to be outdated in 3000 AD. But hey, who cares, it doesn't have to be smart as long as it generates drama with the audience, right?
Am I the only one noticed everyone were white dudes? I'm surprised there weren't even black dudes in there. And Bettik has a point. Every single named characters there act like charging rhinos then going about it tactically. It keeps reminding of the original movie when this dude goes crazy, does a battle cry and shoots at everything on top of a hill. Needless to say, he didn't survive long.
