(spoilers, i suppose) The portal opens in NYC in the Avengers, but instead of the invasion that comes Sylar from Heroes comes through. He has every power he has ever possessed at full strength. He wants to take and 'study' all of the Avengers and steal their powers, obviously. The Avengers know they must stop him. Sylar's Powers: Telekinesis Shattering(ability to 'point and shoot' causing things to shatter - unknown it's effect upon biologicals and hard objects) Freezing Melting(melt's(coldly) solid objects at touch, no effect on biologicals) Enhanced Hearing Precog(can paint future, not increased reaction time) Induced Radioactivity(can go full nuclear if allowed to) Rapid Cellular Regeneration Alchemy(can turn solids into gold) Clairsentience(able to tell the 'history' of an object) Sound manipulation electrical manipulation lie detection imprinting(can carve things into solids) shape shifting disintegration(slow to work, generally) Flight Empathy No holds barred, can Sylar defeat them? Oh yeah, ROB appears out of no where, sits down in an easy chair, and snaps his fingers. Everyone in NYC suddenly disappears, and a large bucket of popcorn appears in his hands.
Thor should take him.As should Hulk. I'd bet on Sylar against the rest though,individually or all at once.
How heavy do you think Hulk is? I mean, we did see Sylar flip an armored van with almost no effort*. If Sylar can lift the Hulk up, that should count as a 'mission kill' of sorts. This isn't comic book 'fuck logic' Hulk, after all. Thor's a bit unfair to put against most anyone though... *it didn't have any of the things attributed with 'effort' in Heroes - nose bleed and etc. strain
No ... Throwing hulk is not going to mission kill him by any means. Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets, and bigger ... If he manages to pick up the Hulk, and indeed throw him all of a meter. After a little while, Hulk gets sufficiently pissed off to 'lolno' Sylars picking him up. That is assuming Sylar can even pick Hulk up, it's not like Hulk will just stand there and let him, then there's the five other Avengers to contend with at the same time.
I think he means lifting him and just leaving him up there - can't bring force to bear when there's nothing you can apply your force against. Although I question Sylar's ability to hold Hulk while simultaneously fending off the Avengers. EDIT: ninja'd. ... The important part of this is his TK, actually. He's shown to be very precise (and lethal) in it's use, and he's used it to catch a bullet out of the air after it's been fired from a gun at point blank range. The moment the fight starts, the more frail members of the Avengers end up dying by death due to cranial incision. Let's see ... Looking at the power list, if he can so much as touch either the Hulk or Thor, he can probably win through alchemy. His rapid cellular regeneration is hilariously broken - outside of a precise hit at a specifically targeted area (somewhere in the back of the head), it's basically comic Wolvie level regeneration. If he feels that he can't beat those two, he can always go nuclear on their asses - that should do it, though it'll cause a double KO. Freezing is awesome, flight to stay away ... I can see him winning this, in all honesty. I'd probably be able to argue better if I had a clear idea of how his powers actually worked.
While flying high enough, there's not much Hulk can do. Thor can't really be dealt with by anyone, so assume he's not in this(if he is, Sylar loses, obviously). So Sylar vs Iron Man would probably come first. You also cannot assume that Movieverse Hulk has the same absolutely stupid fuck logic strength that comic book Hulk does. He's strong, ridiculously so at times, but he doesn't bend logic as he does in comic books. What are some reliable calcs for how heavy Movieverse Hulk is? Like i said, Sylar effortlessly flipped an armored van - which if you didn't know, can be pretty damn heavy, even without much cargo(3 people only). Picked up... What can a movieverse Hulk really do? Hell, what can any of them really do? People with Claire's Cellular Regeneration have survived Ground Zero of Nuclear bombs - a bomb that is larger than the Tsar Bomba(the 100mt one). A bomb close to 750,000 kilotons(4 miles of 'incineration').
Here's a link to his wiki, should be able to give you a pretty good idea of it: http://heroeswiki.com/Sylar
That isn't necessarily true. He can take both of them out, along with himself, if he chooses too. Also, Tsar Bomba ended up being only 50 MT, not 100 MT, at the end. It's fireball radius was also equivalent to 40 kilometers, so the 4 miles of incineration doesn't correspond to a stronger bomb, but a weaker one. Relevant: Only way to stop someone with Claire's ability is to insert an object in a specific part of her brain and leave it there, not allowing her to regen.
Ah yes, you're right. I was using Nuke Map, which admittedly isn't the most reliable of sources. Still, being at Ground Zero of a 4 mile nuke, literally a couple feet from it... I don't think that would even leave much of the brain at all.
I'm not using Comic book-verse Hulk, I'm using the Hulk from the two canon movies he's from, In The Incredible Hulk, we see Pissing off the Hulk is not a wise idea. In the Avengers, we see he's pretty much never losing the fight. We at one point see a Leviathan crash into him, with no visible damage to the hulk, bearing in mind these things casually crash threw buildings with no damage.
... How is that even remotely relevant to the debate? We already know he gets stronger when mad, the method made for dealing with him bypasses that strength entirely. So? If X doesn't lose a fight in Y setting, there's no reason to assume it'd be the same in Z setting. Again, we are not contesting, nor dealing with his physical durability. The method to deal with him bypasses that. Lift him in the air and turn him to gold. Boom - job done. Also, having read through the abilities, I think he can win this without nuking himself too. The brain being destroyed he can deal with - it's only when there's something lodged inside the brain, at a specific location, that messes with his healing abilities (as he can't regen it through the material) that he's in trouble.
I don't think that Alchemy works on biologicals. Most of the change the chemistry or physical properties of matter don't work on biologicals, with the exception of freezing and disintegration.
According to the Heroes wiki, Bob Bishop used his alchemy powers to turn a person into solid gold in one of the companion comics to the series. Not quite the same level of canon as the show itself, but it's precedent at least. [edit:] Ah ninjas, how I love thee.
1. How would he do that without touching him? Didn't Sylar use Tactile TK to flip the van over? 2. Other Telepaths have tried this. Hulk Smash. Hope he likes being deaf and stunned while Hulk rag dolls his ass like Loki.
Sylar then gets up, nods, and FUS RO DAH's Hulk right back You can't kill Sylar, at least not as the Hulk.
HE can go Ultimate Hulk and just rip him in two pieces. Sure hes not dead but he's half the man he used to be YEEEEEEEEAAH!
Transmutation works against organics?Living people?Huh. Sylar's even more broken than I thought. Then it becomes an issue of whether it would be effective against the Hulk, who even in the movies gains mass from elsewhere. Wouldn't that kick in again if he starts losing organic mass?No idea. I'm still inclined to give this one to the Hulk. Rage!Strength + durability + accelerated regeneration is a PITA.
Sylar rapes everyone but Hulk and Thor. Right off the bat, he uses disintegration to destroy the weapons of the low level Avengers. His ice control should allow him to pull of the same thing the lady did in later seasons, i.e. turning herself into ice/water and thus can reform from anything. By then, everyone but Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man are dead. Iron Man goes down with either ranged ice attacks (seen in future Sylar) or lightning. Flight allows him to keep out of the Hulks way, and he can turn Hulk to gold if he has to. Thor goes down with Radiation blasts from a flying Sylar who goes mach 1+. Hulk is the only problem here, though if Sylar doesn't take to the skies soon enough, Thor will get him.
Sylar's lightning will do jack to movie Iron Man, Thor blasted his suit with lightning and it just powered him up more. I also wouldn't count on radiation doing much to Thor, nor is Sylar's flight demonstratabily faster than Thor's, and Hulk can jump good! Sylar is going to get blindsided at least once - if Thor chucks Mjolnir at him (which he loves doing) Syler would likely try to stop it with tk, which flat out won't work because of the enchantment (or programing I suppose in the movies case). He can take out the humans (though they will tie him up at least momentarily), but the tag team of Hulk and Thor are going to be too much for him, especially given that he doesn't seem to multitask well. Are we assuming a competent Sylar, something he wasn't in the show (well except when compared to Peter Pants-on-head-retarded Patrelli) ? As for Sylar nicking their abilites, aside from Hulk there isn't much to take - given how it works I don't think his power will be able to replicate Thor's alien physiology. The rest are 3 badass normals and 1 peak/enhanced human.
He was competent in season 1, but lost it when he lost his powers in S2. I have rationalized it by believing that competency was one of the powers he took from someone. Yes, I did downplay Iron Man's powers just a little. Sylar still can freeze out his circuits, plus if he is competent, he uses the mega freezing blast and turns himself to ice/water. Then, with his power running, he puts himself back together and becomes effectively unkillable, even more so than with healing. Radiation on Thor, iffy I guess.
