The Borg V's The Replicators (from Stargate)

ok, there's 150 replicators loose on a Borg cube....... can the Borg neutralise the Replicators or will the little spider buggers eat the Borg and take their ship?

No.

Their is no weapon the Borg have that can take out the reps.

This is Star Trek, technobabble is their mainstay.

Stargate isn't lacking in that respect ether.

Fine, who can adapt faster? The reps or the borg? Whoever does wins.

you must remember that it was stated that the replicators are immune to energy attacks and that only prjectile weaponry could hurt them. i think it wouldnt take more than an hour or two for the replicators to get control of the borg cubes main computer and turn the ship itself against the borg.

the resultant advanced replicators would be one hell of an enemy for the federation to have to fight, thats for sure.

Depends on whether the Ancient device works the same as phasers and other assorted NDF weapons (or at least affect the reps). If it's the same, the Borg actually stand a good chance. As far as I know, the replicators should be affected by phasers since in the very end they're nothing more then the materials they eat. So, at the VERY LEAST, they can deal with any replicators that are created out of Borg materials.

Also, unlike any other ship they faced, the borg ships don't have a main computer to take control over. Nor has it individual systems to take control over without one out of the several hundred back-ups taking over. This includes the senors on the ship, which would mean that unlike the Asgard, the Borg can track those little buggers.

And the borg can simply put up forcefields. Replicators can't go past those. They can walk over them, yes, but they can't bypass them IIRC.

I'd say that without a Replicator ship to oppose them, they stand a pretty good chance of containing the Replicators. At the very least they should be able to beam them away if all else fails since sensors probably won't be disabled.

Ow, and the Drones should be able to shield themselves as well

No.

I actually wrote a little story about this...

Borg win...

Here's why...

Reps get on the ship and the Borg beam them off...

Or they use force fields...

Besides Reps are only resistant to the energy weapons encountered in Stargate...

Not Phasers... To my knowledge they work differently...

Anyway... plasma should do the trick...

And the Borg could assimilate the Bugs...

Also if the Reps try to take over the computer they'll be overridden... and reprogramed...

Besides the Borg can scan things on the quantum(SP?) level, I'm sure they could think of something to destroy the Reps...

EVEN if the Borg would lose... which they won't... they could just destroy the ship... or take it in to Sub-space and dissable the ship so it can't exit... EVER!!!

LOL

Let's break down this Horibly Structured Post.

1. Dispite their ability to, the Borg have NEVER used transporters this way. Besides, the Bord would be more interested in asimalating the reps than getting rid of them.

2. The Borg don't use phasers.

3. Jaffa staffs are plasma weapons and they NEVER did anything to a replicator.

4. How will the Borg assimalate replicators? They assimalate biological organisms by implanting them with their tech. They can't do this with reps as they are technological entities. They also use nanoprobes to take over things. That also won't work as their are no opeanings in the solid metal skin of the individual blocks.

5. What type of security do you think the Borg has? Besides, that is not how the reps work. They take you ship, and eat it. Then they build their oun ship out of the blocks they built with the metals on the target ship.

6. So can the Asgard. Your point is?

7. This is just stupid. A rep ship would just infest the cubes coming at it.

Prove that they can.

Perhaps because they never needed to...:drevil:

Interesting, you've numbered your points... yet have neglected to respond to my second strategy... Here's your chance...

Correction... the types of energy weapons encounterd so far... obviously a Borg with a Zat would have the same results as a Jaffa with a Zat...

True they use disrupters(SP?)... which work similarly... in any case the Borg possess Phaser technology...

Which is different then Staff weapons and Zats...

Not the same thing... true Staff Weapons are most likly some kind of plasma or electricty weapon... but that doesn't mean the Reps could surive the corridors of the cube being purged by plasma... Would you argue that a Rep could enter a star without damage?

Because those are plasma too.

You've forgotten that this tech aslo replicates and re-writes the DNA of the host... Just a side-note...

And your point being? What's to stop the Borg from assimilating a machine... they seem to do it all the time with things we like to call "Star Ships"... Perhaps you've heard of them?

Seems they won't need "openings"...

Still waiting...

If you're refering to the ship... They have drones, force fields, sensors, and transporters...

If you're refering to the computer... They have the above as well as the Mind of the Collective... and such... "Access Denied"...

Doesn't look like they'll be taking anything... besides a free assimilation and a trip off the Borg Cube...

No proof that they can break down the hull of a Borg Cube...

They also upgrade the ship their on...

Not to my knowledge... Anyway my pint is that they'd think of something that could destroy Reps after scanning them on the quantum level...

Which is what I said... Why would you ask what my point was?

Gee... Maybe because it's their ship... I my be wrong but I think the BOP is on you...

Beacuse it's safe to assume they can... and there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to...

:wtf: Wow... you've really made some good points there, guess you're right... wait...

P.S. read the damn OP...

The General... There is no Rep ship...

Do Asgard transporters require internal sensors to be operational for use? If so then Borg transporters could potentially be used to beam the Reps out. If not, then the replicators have some method to either disable Asgard internal transportation or render themselves resistent to them, somehow...

Just some brainstorming.

The point is that the Reps can't take over the Cube due to it's decentralized structure. If one section is compromized, another takes over and forcefields can be erected. They erected a forcefield around Locutus when he was threatened, proving that they can and will do so if a threat is detected. And then... the Reps are stuck.

Once again, the Borg also won't have to deal with it's sensors being disabled.

Also, since the cube repairs itself, the Reps will probably not even try to get out of containment since it's basically an all you can eat-buffet for them They'd end up with a *very* crowded room

And the Borg do employ NDF weapons. Hell, they have a nice cutting beam on their ship to slice and dice other ships. And considering Replicators can be destroyed by breaking them down into small parts, i think breaking the atomic bonds of the material they're made of would work nicely (which is the NDF effect).

External Asgard transporters do need sensors to beam shit in. Hence the reason Teal'C had to push off into scanner range to be transported back into the ship (in the ep where he placed explosives on the outer hull of the Asgard ship). considering internal and external transporter beams evidentally don't differ from each other, I'd say those need sensors as well to work.

So, the Borg could potentially use this tactic.

Replicators are quite fond of eating directly through walls and floors to get to their targets. Are there any examples of borg corridor fields that can completly evelope a target on all six sides?

Depends on how the internal sensors are structured. Although redundancy is nice, eventually atleast partial sensor failure can occur so long as the reps can damage systems at a faster rate then they can be repaired. Unless forcefields and transporters work on them, the replicators are likely to reach exponential rates of construction in a short time. The borg HAVE to keep the reps from digging into the underlying superstructure of the cube.

A bit of a no limits fallacy here. Unless a cube can spontaniously generate an infinite amount matter (which would require advanced energy to matter conversion, that is limited by on board power supplies), the replicators will eventually consume enough systems that failure is inevitable.

This is an internal security issue. The replicators are already on board, which means no cutting beams. The observed security capabilities a cube is capable of seems to be composed of three elements: Transporters, Forcefields, and drones either armed or unarmed depending on configuration. Its seems that some of these may work, so long as drones use their weapons, forcefields and transporters can function, then the replicators can be "extracted" before the infestation gets critical.

Their needs to be a precident set in an episode that the Borg would use that tactic. Their is none. Therefor, the Borg WON'T use that tactic.

See Bluntman's point

Obviously

The Reps absorb the energy they are hit with. Without the energy delivered by the beam to power the NDF effect will not work.

No, but a Borg Cube can't survive there ether, so how will it flood it's halls with star temp plasme. This is also an unusable tactic for reasons explained in my first responce.

Metal does't have DNA. Besides, Picard survived after being assimalated and his DNA didn't change.

The biological races technological knowledge they gain through assimilating organisms that have knowledge of the tech.

Can you provide proof FROM AN EPISODE?

See below

See other points.

There are multiple examples in Voyager of the crew downloading stuff onto the Collective.

When I said taking you ship, I ment getting on it.

They have broken down tougher metals. The Naquada/Trinium/Carbon alloy comes to mind.

The Asgard CAN scan to the quantum level, matter transportation requires it, and they have a greated tech base that the Borg. They still couldn't beat the Replicators. Another thing, What about 8472? Why didn't the Borg spontaniously come up with a solution to that problem when they had you magical quantum scans?

The BOP is on you. You claimed they can take a ship into supspace, NEVER done before.

Blocks build on the cube can form ships.

See above.

Minor setback. Reps will just eat their ways through walls, floors, and ceilings.

See Bluntman's point.

That weapon doesn't apear to be a NDF weapon. Explain why you lable it as such.

Quite wrong.

hello Scoob

Considering the fact that Federation ships and Cardassian mining stations (Odo's security office) can project forcefields through walls, I doubt the far more advanced Borg are uncapable of such things. Especially since they should know how to do so with the assimilated Fed technology in their hands and the ability to 'generate' systems such as generators wherever they want (as seen in ENT: Regeneration, where a few drones did so by simply injecting a few nanites. And a cube is chock full of nanites).

Transporters and even holodeck programs have been stated to be matter -> energy conversion technology. And seeing as how they can make holograms disappear and transported objects/people reappear, they can also perform energy -> matter conversions.

So, as long as there is power, they can regenerate. Also, we've seen them regenerate a chunk of the ship equal to roughly twice the size of the E-D with no power loss whatsoever (in 'Q Who').

In the opening scene of DS9, at Wolf 359, several ships are hit by a cutting beam that was followed by a definate NDF effect (almost identical to phaser effects only it went faster and covered a larger area).

I must say, i'm geniunely astonished by your argument...

EDIT: I missed the quote below it. my bad... Checking it now.

EDIT 2: You just proved my point with that quote. Teal'C had to push off for another transporter array to be able to pick him up. hence, the arrays are limited by what the sensors can see.

I remember seeing Human Form Replicators pentrating Asgard containment shields. Can regular spider type replicators do the same?

Yes
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s8/801.shtml
Evidence in the Analysis section of that page, quoted here for ease:

On the subject of replicator ships:
We've seen at least 2 (or more likely 1 type of ship with multiple configurations)
http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/index.shtml
http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/index.shtml

I think Borg Nanotech actually infects the replicatore and they merge . Producing Super borgs with Replicator abilities.

You mean 3 ships, the replicator cruiser, the "replicator ship" and the replicator warship.
Oh and for the lazy ones here the direct links to the ships:
http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/ships/links/replicatorcruiser.shtml
http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/ships/links/replicatorship.shtml
http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/ships/links/replicatorwarship.shtml

OH really,

I think this is self explanitory.

Edit:


Edit 2:

This is a pic of the transporter arrays' arcs.

Bull, They have the technology... They can do it... simple as that...

What point he is in agreement with me... You mean that point?
Have you even read what he posted?

Yes... but they'd still be hit with the energy... and an NDF reaction would still take place...
[/QUOTE=The General]No, but a Borg Cube can't survive there ether,[/QUOTE]I never said they could... [QUOUTE=The General]so how will it flood it's halls with star temp plasme.[/QUOTE]Most likely by pressing some controls... You do know that star ships have plasma going through conduits all the time... right? Just erect some force fields and guide it through the corridors of the ship...

It would appear not...

You're a funny fellow...

You take my side-note and ignore my main point... Then you lie...

Anyway I never said metal had DNA... What I showed you was an example of how Borg nanites can manipultes the atomic structure of metals...

How do you mean "surrived"?... He was rescued and the effects reversed...

His DNA was altered to that of a Drone...

As well as by assimilating the tech directly... see their attempt at assimilating Data...

I just did... read what I wrote... please... thank you...

This...

Aren't going to cut it!!!

Name one... Just one... Come on...

Yes and... according to the OP their already on...

Examples of how it is stronger...

Are you sure... not saying your wrong... But I'd like some proof... Because to my knowledge the Asgard can only scan the things on the atomic level...

Based on what?

Yes... the same geniuses that couldn't think of a non energy based weapon... Even though their energy weapons had no effect on their enemy... Their a great example...

First there is nothing magical here... Second I saw this coming... I think everyone did ...

Let's see the first reason would be because Voyager and it's writers were retarded... But that won't fly, so let me think...

OK... The reason is they never got a chance... They were to busy being slaughtered...

Wait did you just say that the Borg don't have Warp capability?

Seriously... This doesn't even diserve a response!

Wait what... I have no idea what you're trying to say...

Yes we know that Reps... replicate by consuming raw material *ie* the hull of ships and such... How in the hell does that answer what I wrote?

Yea... here's the thing the Reps aren't building a ship to fight the cube...

There on the ship and the Borg have to stop 150 of them....

Really?
You forgot to tell us how they'd get through the force fields...

Also you haven't shown or explained why the Reps can eat through the hull...

Bear_Lover, give me one example of the Borg transporting boarders into space.

Just one. Quoted from an episode, with all neccesary references.

Also give quotes for Borg reaction time to boarders, Borg usage of forcefields to deny boarders, and the Borg's seemingly amazing ability to dump plasma into their corridors.


You see, there's a precedent in place here called Burden of Proof (TM). You're claiming the Borg have abilities we have never seen them use, and it's your responsibility to prove them.