Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by GreggHL, Jan 23, 2012.
Damn... I really need to watch RoE.
It's alright. But, 2.0 might leave you with a bad taste in your mouth.
Ehh, 2.0 has a lot less navel gazing and monologues than the series for the same content. Which figures, since it spans post-Ramiel fight to Zeruel, but pacing is a bit too fast for me. Worst of all they skip Lelial! Oh how I raged when I realized the epic birth metaphor wouldn't be in glorious modern-day HD!
Much bigger focus on action then character development. Non-Main characters (Ritsuko, Fuyutsuki, Hikari ect) make token appearances at best. Asuka is kinda put on the back burner, and Mari will either be be kinda interesting or utterly annoying.
If you're a Rei fan you'll probably like it, while Asuka fans will *edit*probably RAGE; the rest will range from "HELL YEAH" to "That's. . . it?" like usual.
And it holds fairly true across quite a range of fan-fics. The ones which portray Gendo as an utter monster with no redeeming features tend to have him lose, and the characters manage to beat the Angels and prevent Third Impact.
By contrast, my own Aeon Entelechy Evangelion, which has a Gendo with regrets, who works at seeming like a heartless bastard because it means that people are surprised when he's nice, who (we see in a flashback) was an exasperated father trying to handle Shinji (who was a little brat), and who gave Rei half a peppermint chocolate bar while driving back from somewhere  has Cthulhu rising from the depths to slay us all, and large amounts of Asia eaten by Hastur, and evil bug-aliens in orbit trying to systematically exterminate human civilisation.
In conclusion, it's better for everyone if Gendo is a bad person. If Gendo is nice, Cthulhu may eat us all.
 She doesn't like peppermint, but doesn't have the heart to tell him that.
Debateable. I'm a huge Asuka fan, and I think that her characterization in this was a lot more layered, plus a bit healthier without losing the essence of the character, and added a couple new horrifying dynamics that I really want to see addressed in 3.33 whenever that gets around to being made.
I don't automatically hate when a character I love is put through the wringer, because if it's engaging and has consequences, it's character/plot development and therefore keeps me hooked. Part of the reason the original series/movie resonated with me so much was the fact that the characters were dynamic and weren't pidgeonholed into one-dimensional stereotypes. (Not even Misato. Especially not Misato.)
2.22 made me all the more interested with where they were taking Asuka this time around, and I loved every gut-wrenching minute of it. Part of why I love Song of Ice and Fire so much.
tl;dr Characters that stay exactly the same at all times stagnate and become boring, no matter how awesome they are conceptually. Part of why I'm looking forward to how different the Rebuild of this story is, as attached I am to the currently-still-developing main story. Things will be changed, some things will be the same but a lot more smoothly executed, things that seemed great at the time may not be as necessary to this time around.
Well, that settles it. My vote is for Nicer Gendo!
Gendo: Who wants cupcakes that I baked?
EDIT: Nice snip, BTW. Shinji/Hikari? I'm interested.
True, and edited my post to say so. My comment was less of a dig at her new personality, more to what happens to her(which ya address) and general lack of SxA fodder (key trigger).
I like that (like most of the others) she comes off as much less as a person held together by Elmers Glue and coping mechanisms, and more like a 14 year old girl with a few social issues forced to pilot a giant robot in a war for survival. I like that RoE is less of a retread and more of a AU with lots of potential.
As an aside, HOW could anyone accuse Misato of being one-dimensional? She was one of the most visibly nuanced characters in the series!
Without getting into details, I actually saw a lot more Shinji/Asuka shipping fodder, but it was more understated and subtle. Which I heartily appreciated.
But yes, that's the term with debateable, because not everyone likes subtle, and I certainly respect that.
Flanderization in a lot of fanfic, which Gregg addresses multiple times with the "You didn't hire me just to watch my tits jiggle" tribute to "Children of an Elder God". Which I doubly appreciate now that I've read that one recently.
And you'd be surprised what nuances a lot of people don't catch from the original series. Even the ones that seemed glaringly obvious to me.
But that's beside the point.
Its kind of funny that the creator enforced this concept with Rebuild.
Wasn't that going to happen anyway?
Well, when you put it that way, yeah. But I think he means waking the big guy up ahead of schedule.
Which makes me imagine Kaworuventures.
...But Kaworu may not be cheery enough for that. Reiventures?
Well in Call of Cthulu. He got pretty fucked up after a steamboat to the face. Curious how an Evangelion would do?
Though you might need a new pilot core afterwords.
Speaking of Rebuild...
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[spoiler]If they actually make a doll out of that design, which seems likely, it will be proof once and for all that Gainax are huge fucking trolls.[/spoiler]
Forgetful 1: "So....Rei came over today and I gave her some tea."
Forgetful 2: "You what?"
F1: "Gave her some tea?"
F2: "You IDIOT! Rei isn't suppose to have ANY stimulants what so ever! It'll be like that Black blood incident all over again!"
F1: "What? How dare you! Black Blood of the Earth has like, a blazillion times concentration of caffeine over tea! Tea isn't a monster! Tea is subtle! Tea is sleek, it is classy! Besides Rei wouldn't-" F1 was interrupted by a loud chime, and a Rei shaped hole in the wall. A hole that didn't go into the other room. It was a hole that led some place very far away. And dark; darker than the darkest dark, one might say.
F1 responded by hissing like a monster truck tire with a leak.
F2 calmly sat back, and said, " Well, that's Rei subtly breaking the fifth and possibly sixth wall. Good job idiot,"
Welp, we now know what Dollie'll be in Rebuild of ND.
(Seriously Gregg, do this.)
... You know. I have something of a sad due to the lack of love the current ND thread is getting. But then, that could just be that I'm having a bit of a hard time getting into this rebuild due to the fact that the original is still up in the air.
I can also tell, however, that I'm definitely in the minority here, so I'll slink back to my lurking corner.
I'm getting back to that tonight.
I would have gotten back to it today, but it was the 2nd anniversary of Star Trek Online and I got me an Odyssey.
That thing is pretty freakin' nice, I have to admit.
Shame it has a larger turning radius then the earth.
The Odyssey class is basically Starfleet deciding "We need to build an Imperial Star Destroyer." The armament and durability of it basically point to that in the performance. It is huge, it is beautiful, and it is slow. But it is also able to beat the ever living crap out of anything that gets in its way.
I named mine Almacia.
And no, thats not the star destroyer, it dosnt have the BOff slots for it.
The Galaxy-x, on the other hand.... Ive seen builds that can one-shot anything in the game.
And its the escorts that beat the ever living crap out stuff.
The hell would Starfleet even do with something like that? Is there some particularly menacing moon or something nearby?
To go into the lore, at this point in STO, Starfleet's at war with the Klingons, and there's varied threats- a resurgant Borg, the Undine, Romulans-As-Roma, etc. So, considering that no one knows where the Enterprise-E is, they commissioned the Enterprise-F, which will be one of the first two Odyssey-class cruisers. Which is about 800 meters long, the single most durable thing in STO, and a streamlined beauty of a ship. Which is primarily an exploration vessel, but also more than able to defend itself.
From entire fleets.
In STO, there in the middle of a 5 front war.
And all those dominion ships the Prophets sent away?
The shakedown I played was pretty spectacular. I've got a few levels to go still before I can take my Odyssey-class out of the box, but it's majestic in the purest sense of the word.
Basically, it's a mountain. All I need to do is load it up with EPS conduits, trigger beam spam, shield rotation, and sit back while things die and I barely take damage. Which is already what I do with my current Sovereign-class.
Fleet escort flyer here, all cannons.
I may not be able to tank much, but everything infront of me DIES, and I got just enough tank to not die in the fight, and enough turn speed to GTFO when its time to run.
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