What did DC do wrong in the movie department?

Discussion in 'Movie Madness' started by Basiclus, May 13, 2012.

  1. Q99

    Wouldn't expect you to. Still, most of the ones I've listed have a clear motive and style that'd be easy to do in a story.
  2. Unreluctant Loitering with Intent

    Sortakindanotreally... after all most of the stuff that really made the character sing wasn't from the comics at all. He shared a gimmick with Whiplash, and a name, status as an inventor and nationality with the original Dynamo, but the stuff with his father, the 'burd', his attitude toward Hammer, and the intergenerational rivalry with the Starks; all Cinematic Marvel. And it's that's what made the character GOOD, not the hooks back to comics, but the stuff that is the movie.

    And there's my answer to the OP's question: What DC did wrong is they got too hung up on the 'lore'. Rather than just trying to tell a good story, they're just slapping stuff together and expecting it to sell because of "Iconic Characters". The Nolan Batman movies kinda prove the point, it's not Batman that makes it good, it's what they do with Batman.

    That and they cast Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What. The. Hell.
  3. Daniel2112 You Poor Fucking Humans

    That's part of what makes it so awesome... As a moviegoer you'd be introduced to them for the very first time with no expectations whatsoever. You could walk into the movie, buckle in, and just go along for the ride wherever it may go!
  4. Citrakite It's no fun when you know the trick already.

    Would highly depend on how they're written as I don't care much for GL so his no name foe isn't all that important to me. Part of why I'm not sure they should do a Injustice League or Secret Society in a JLA movie. No one knows who half these people are unless you watch JL or read the comics.
  5. Yeah, That's just another example of Hollywood whitewashing, there. Why couldn't they have gotten a black guy to play the Green Lantern?


    Personally, I think they could get a lot of mileage out of an older World War II vet Wonder Woman dealing with family. Create a new version of Artemis who is Diana and Steve's daughter, have her be the not-quite-a-villain antagonist as leader of a violently proactive splinter faction of Amazons.


    Bland villains with a few exceptions aren't a problem when doing a movie. You can just use the exceptions. The problem is that the heroes themselves are bland. The big three DC heroes tend towards an inhuman level of perfection. They don't have flaws and foibles. Batman's biggest personality flaw is that he's Batman (which can be an interesting thing to explore, I admit). Superman and Wonder Woman, though, are just perfect paragons. It's difficult to make them relatable without compromising them. Smallville Clark is sort of relatable (when the writing isn't total crap) and deeply flawed, but he isn't Superman. He isn't supposed to be Superman.

    They need hooks that people can understand.
  6. Daniel2112 You Poor Fucking Humans

    That... was a joke, right? John Stewart is the fourth Green Lantern. Hal is the second, and the first to use the super-science ring connected with the Green Lantern Corps. The original Golden Age Green Lantern had nothing to do with the GLC and was powered by magic.
  7. Yeah, but John was in the cartoon. He's got more recognition and he's cooler.
  8. Daniel2112 You Poor Fucking Humans

    He may have more recognition, but he's nowhere near as cool as Kyle or Alan.
  9. Citrakite It's no fun when you know the trick already.

    Alan's a bit hokey so Kyle for sure.
  10. Daniel2112 You Poor Fucking Humans

    Just because Alan's old doesn't mean he's hokey. He's actually quite awesome. Unfortunately, like Kyle, he never gets even a fraction of the respect he deserves.
  11. Citrakite It's no fun when you know the trick already.

    His daughter is/was hot but his costume still screams I was designed in 1942 and his weakness was wood.
  12. Daniel2112 You Poor Fucking Humans

    Costumes can be updated. Batman's costume isn't really identical to his original outfit anymore. As for his weakness, so what? Batman's weakness is bullets. And knives. And wood in the form of baseball bats. While Alan's ring can't directly affect wood, that doesn't stop him from ripping up a piece of landscape to shield himself with, the landscape not being made of ring energy and thus not being limited by the weakness.
  13. Citrakite It's no fun when you know the trick already.

    60 years and that update still not coming.
  14. Daniel2112 You Poor Fucking Humans

    As I've often lamented, Alan is one of the most-forgotten of the Green Lanterns. And it actually did get an update at one point for Kingdom Come. I think it was even used a few times before the New52 fubar happened.

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  15. I think , that big failure of DC was utter and absolute fail, that was All Stars. Marvel movies draw heavily from Ultimate universe, which was created for the purpose of updating characters and themes, this alloved moviemakers toly sidestep most problematic issues Ultimate universe had with this thanks to the experience. It also allowed them to reshape characters for wider audience , with minimalized fan bitching thanks to the dichotomy between normal and Ultimate universe.
  16. and the second picture looks many times worse than the original costume.
  17. Citrakite It's no fun when you know the trick already.

    OK that is badass.
  18. Q99

    DC's comic-Hal relaunch worked because of nostalgia, but for people who don't know GL...

    Kyle first, then John, Alan, Guy, Hal last. He really is the least-interesting lantern, even when he's in interesting stories they aren't interesting because of him, and not only that, the movie was a particularly weak take on him.

    Wonder Woman has the other-culture thing going for her. Diana grew up in a place were swords and diplomacy where considering acceptable.


    Also, her mission, unlike the other two, is proactive. Wonder Woman is supposed to go out and cause change.
  19. CthulhuBeard Captain, Wookie, Elder

    no-one wants to watch Jesus fight the Borg. well, okay, i want to see it, but hollywood doesn't think people will pay money to see it. instead they have jesus bang some bitches then take off avoiding the paternity suit by being in another solar system or something, to make him more like the average joe. this is why superman doesn't work.

    batman works because "millionare spends forture breaking laws to do what he damn well pleases" is right out of the headlines. i mean, we don't expect bill gates to be a superhero, but hell he is trying to exterminate malaria right now. he is dark and edgy, but with some underlying moral code. he breaks the laws because the system is corrupt. people eat that up.

    the way you put them in the same world is you have to use a story like Kingdom Comes, where both heroes are themselves, and in the same world. the dark knight returns would work as well. but then you are using "old" actors for the roles, and that is too far out there for a big budget movie i guess.

    i hope after Nolan departs they do Batman Beyond. get that edgy bullshit with the young kid, and get some badass to play old man bruce. hell, do a justice league movie with the beyond roster. DC heroes are Old. really, really, old. their movies can reflect this and put butts in seats.
  20. I liked the fan made trailer with Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern when the cast wasn't yet decided.
    More distinctive face instead of smug and goofy Reynolds.
  21. Q99

    See, I could get behind that. His Hal would be fairly interesting because Fillion'd *make* him interesting.
  22. Citrakite It's no fun when you know the trick already.

    Thirded. I do not like Ryan as an actor. Nathan Fillion blew my mind and I have yet to see the whole run of Firefly.
  23. Get a decent camera and film a trailer.
  24. Citrakite It's no fun when you know the trick already.

    So it just took 60 years.

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