What's the weakest faction that can survive in 40k?

Discussion in 'Vs. Debates' started by Random832, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. Random832 The Coolest

    As in the title. "Survive" is defined as being able to defend their own space against native factions that will attack it, and not be destroyed or conquered.

    A) If they get their own FTL tech that is safe to use.
    B) If their own FTL tech doesn't work, but they have what they need use the warp as safely as the Imperium can.
    C) If their own FTL doesn't work and they have to figure out how to use the warp the hard way.
  2. white_rabbit Shadow Cabal Fisherman

    There is a lot of free space in 40k.

    Natives aren't all as powerful as the major races, or as aggressive. There are many smaller civilisations. The key issue is location. The Tau still exist because of location.
  3. For lesser races, it's keep your head low and don't make a stink when the IoM comes knocking.
  4. Space Penguin Eternal crusade for fish

    Lots of dead or empty planets :D .

    Not completely true. There are native races that are just as aggressive as the main races except they do it in acts of piracy.
  5. Theophilis Warrior Poet

    And hope you aren't tasty to daemons or in the way of a hive fleet/waaagh.
  6. Space Penguin Eternal crusade for fish

    And any race entering into 40k verse have to be wary and extremely cautious when it comes to poking at planets, artifacts or meeting other alien races.
  7. The Imperator I am Omegon

    Faction Paradox can pass all three.
  8. Space Penguin Eternal crusade for fish

    Faction Paradox from Doctor Who EU, right?

    Can one really call them weak?
  9. Random832 The Coolest

    Even if I rule B/C's "no own FTL" to include time travel?
  10. The Imperator I am Omegon

    Yeah, cause they can just rewrite their biodata to get psyker powers, or rewrite planetary biodata to create fortresses on planets that have always been there.

    I know they aren't weak, but they were the only scifi thing that came to mind when I thought of withstanding Chaos corruption.
  11. Plasmafish 屙尿唱山歌

    End game SMAC factions? They would have extensive experience with psychic attacks and infantry scaled singularity weapons and stasis armour. The only thing they don't have is a practical FTL for starships.
  12. Space Penguin Eternal crusade for fish

    The OP is asking for the weakest faction that can survive the 40k galaxy. Faction Paradox is not weak.
  13. The Imperator I am Omegon

    OK, OK, weakest. weakest. That is a relative term, but I will let my point go.
  14. Space Penguin Eternal crusade for fish

    I know that weakest is relative but Faction Paradox is from Doctor Who which we all know as time travel, galaxy, universe, multiverse destroying shenanigans running around. 40k doesn't do any of that so Faction Paradox is probably an outside-whatever its called problem.
  15. The Imperator I am Omegon

    Yeah, I figured with the last two (time travel disabled) it would lower them a little. Plus, they are quite small (their homebase is the size of 18th century London).
  16. Avernus Abomination

    The Backgrounders of Orion's Arm perhaps? They don't even have FTL; they are however paranoid recluses who spend their time hiding in stealth from outsiders in interstellar space. They could survive and expand slowly between the stars for a long time without anyone even realizing they exist, much less attacking them. And finding all of them to kill them would likely be impossible once they've had much time to grow and spread out.
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  17. white_rabbit Shadow Cabal Fisherman

    Penguin, I'd like you to read what I said, then examine why your reply to me is bloody stupid.
  18. Space Penguin Eternal crusade for fish

    :( my mistake.

    But the thing about dead planets was a joke.
  19. Cthulutech Earth? They had seen it all before.

    Getting into wh40k would actually benefit them if it gets the Mi-go out of orbit. Even more so since the cults are easy enough to deal with if you can drop a few small asteroids on them. On the ones that work in the open anyway.
  20. Plasmafish 屙尿唱山歌

    Cthulhutech Earth has shown extreme susceptibility to corruption. They are going to be Chaos chow in 40k.
  21. Random832 The Coolest

    Unless CT abominations are worse than WH ones - do WH chaos stuff demonstrate the ability to drive people insane merely by looking at a raster image of one on a monitor? (I don't know if that's canon CT, I got that from AEE)
  22. Deadguy2001 Pet Class Angeloid

    Depends on the Chaos entity in question. For instance, the Greater Daemon Ghargantuloth's summoning into real space and the accompanying psychic screams were driving planetary populations several dozen light years away completely batshit insane; and on the planet itself, the dead rose from their graves so they could flee in abject terror.
  23. Random832 The Coolest

    But is there any instance of driving people insane via purely mundane sensory impressions, such as via a recording? (of course, another interpretation, if not, is that WH40K humanity is immune to such effects)
  24. Deadguy2001 Pet Class Angeloid

    Yes. I'll need to search through my library for references though.
  25. Chocolate Rain The strong are strongest alone.

    "'Golden Throne!' Beije bleated as we burst through a ripped curtain into the main chapel. For once I could sympathise with him. I'd had some idea of what to expect, having seen the ruins of the ritual chambers in the hab dome and the bordello, but the full sanity-blasting horror of the intact symbols on the walls surrounding us completely was new to me, and sent my senses reeling. I'm sure it was only the presence of Jurgen and his peculiar talent, which insulated my mind from the worst of it. 'Don't look at them,' I cautioned, trying to focus on the
    carnelian giants wading through the congregation of degenerates with single-minded determination, slicing and hacking with their chainblade pole arms. 'Stay focussed.'
    My warning came too late for one of the Tallarn troopers, though, Stoch I think - he curled up into a foetal position, bleeding from the eyes and whimpering something which sounded like the first line of the Emperor's benediction over and over again."
    - The Traitors Hand pg 670(epub)

    "In the early part of 401, I took my team to Eustis Majoris, capital world of the Angelus
    subsector, to investigate the illicit trade in so-called “flects”. These corrosively addictive objects
    are flooding the black market throughout the subsector group, smuggled in from the Mergent
    Worlds rimwards of Angelus. Flects are dangerous things, abominably dangerous. They are
    splinters of glass from the billion broken windows of the decaying hive ruins out in the Mergent
    Worlds, swollen with abhuman energies due to their long exposure to the warp. They have soaked
    up the light of Chaos, marinading for centuries in its glare.
    In these little splinters of corrupted glass, a user might glimpse a reflection of something
    wondrous and be uplifted for a brief time to some transcendant high. When they come down, they
    immediately crave another glimpse of the wonder, another “look”, as the slang goes. But a great
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    the warp. Such a sight destroys minds. And, of course, no user ever knows what he or she is about to
    see until they look into their next flect."
    -RAVENOR RETURNED

    "I realised I had almost become hypnotised. Staring at the monstrous, raging figure, drawn to him by his power and sheer horror, my
    eyes had lingered too long on the obscene runic carvings that edged the joints of his armour, the insane sigils that decorated his chest
    plate. I was entranced, captivated by the golden chains that dressed his luridly painted armour, the gems and exquisite filigree
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    I forced myself not to look. Soul-destroying madness lay in the marks and brands of Chaos if one looked too long....Bequin was cowering in a corner, filthy, tearful. The sight of the Child of the Emperor Mandragore had sent her fleeing in blind panic.
    Like me, she had made the mistake of looking at the runes and marks on his foul, dazzling armour. Unlike me, she hadn't had the
    sense to look away.
    She couldn't speak. She barely registered us. But we were back inside her muzzling aura and out of Dazzo's clutches for the moment."
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