Stop SOPA 2014

Discussion in 'Non Sci-fi Debates' started by HellMourne, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-sopa-2014/q0Vkk0ZrStop SOPA 2014.Stop SOPA. SOPA stands for Stop Online Piracy Acts. In this case, all fanart will be deleted, all fan-pages, fanfics, fan made videos, etc. Please help stop SOPA.We have until March 19 to get to 100,000 signatures and we have barely cleared a fifth of the needed total in the month that the petition has been up.
     
  2. Cherico

    Cherico Totally not a NSA agent

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    Were going to have to change the consitution to stop this crap arnt we?
     
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  3. I do not think your petition is informative enough. This might be a reason for the lack of signatures.

    What is the bill's text? What are the consequences of that text? Where in the legislative process is it?
     
  4. SeaDart

    SeaDart Solidarity

    Or you could, you know just saying, not pirate.
     

  5. I'm requesting a source for this.

    Sounds like blatant fear mongering
     
  6. jo demon

    jo demon Teamwork

  7. This is quoted directly from the petition.
     
  8. The petition which doesn't list a source? Did you bother to check this information before spamming CrW threads with it?
     
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  9. SeaDart

    SeaDart Solidarity


    Yes, I want to Stop Online Piracy. Where do I sign?
     
  10. I already apologized for that, and as for checking the bill itself, where?
     
  11. The link in the first post.
     
  12. I honestly have no idea. I Googled "SOPA 2014" and didn't find anything concrete. Therefore I'm not convinced that anything's happening. If you don't have convincing evidence, why are you worrying about this at all?
     
  13. SeaDart

    SeaDart Solidarity


    I think you misunderstood me. I want to vote for SOPA. Where do I do so?
     
  14. Well, stopping your trolling would be a good start. If this passes it would shut down Spacebattles. This is a direct threat to us. If you're genuinely serious then I'd have to recommend leaving this forum and never coming back to blight us with your presence. Your "government is perfect" act is at times almost amusing and useful for quote-mining for the BBEG in a Shadowrun game I'm DMing but if you threaten the forum as a whole you need to leave.

    I've attempted to draft what would probably make a good such law:

    • Copywrite applies to the actual text/code/picture of the work copywritten. Other authors/programmers/artists are allowed to create and sell their own works based off/inspired by/using characters and settings from the work of another author with or without the original author's permission.
    • In event of the death of the author or the failure of the company which owns the franchise any works they had created automatically enter public domain where a publishing company can freely start mass-producing copies and/or someone can post them for free on the internet.
    • In event of a work going out of public sale the author will be given a year's notice to get it republished or it will enter public domain where a publishing company can freely start mass-producing copies and/or someone can post it for free on the internet.

    So, now what are the facts:
    • How bad is said proposed new law, how much is scaremongering?
    • How's support for stopping it, do we have a chance at preventing it from passing?
    • What, if any are the walkarounds/software patches to make it not matter?
    • Who's behind it this time?
    • Links for everything?
     
  15. SeaDart

    SeaDart Solidarity

    So being against online piracy is trolling now?

    Allegedly. I'm sure you remember SB getting Toucan-ed. You know why we got Toucan-ed? Because some bright spark decided to re-appropriate a copyrighted image for his own ends. The fault lies not with the copyright holder trying to protect his or her IP, but with the copyright violator.


    Perhaps you'd like to share with us why you think online piracy and copyright as issues should be ignored by the government and why no steps must be taken to curtail it?

    Besides, SB or any website getting Toucan-ed for good has no bearing on anyone's life. People move on.
     
  16. Are you with the Opponents behind SOPA or are you a Spacebattler? If you aren't one of us, leave this site and never come back.
     
  17. SeaDart

    SeaDart Solidarity


    Opponents to what, Bassoe?
     
  18. To the existence of fanart and fanfiction on the internet, because SOPA would kill that. And before you start spouting off about how it would also stop pirates:
    • I don't pirate, it would harm me anyway.
    • Actual pirates would find workarounds quite rapidly. Remember what happened last time SOPA was attempted?
     
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  19. He knows that. He's deliberately taking the supposed law's title literally. Please do not continue responding to his trolling - this is HellMourne's thread, and I'm still interested in hearing about a source if there is one.
     
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  20. SeaDart

    SeaDart Solidarity

    The fan art and fan fiction amongst other fan media are produced using the IP developed by a person or corporation. If said person or corporation doesn't want to let people create stuff from their IP then more power to them, it's their property.

    The argument that SOPA is bad because it doesn't let you use other peoples stuff isn't really a smart one.


    You don't drink drive, but you're not allowed to carry containers of alcohol inside your car. Why aren't you unhappy about that?

    Society is more than you, by the way.



    Murderers still murder and fraudsters still commit fraud. Should we scrap those laws, Bassoe?




    I'm not trolling dude.
     
  21. Look at this newbie trying to re-define SB as the fanfiction forum.

    CrW is a barely tolerated insane asylum. Please do not resist while these nice men in white coats take you back to your quarantined cell.
     
  22. ckk185

    ckk185 Solidarity

    Last I check there wasn't a proper description behind the term spacebattler. I will however note that if you have to rely on a appeal to popularity or something similar, you make a shitty debator and a crap spacebattler.
     
  23. No it fucking wouldn't. (Baring toucans, naturally) The only thing worse than the bill is how no one has any clue what the fuck it says. Yes it's a bad bill. No, it's not the end of the internet. You should be more concerned about how net neutrality is dead and ISPs are already charging content providers to use the bandwith the customers have already paid for.

    edit: As far as I know there isn't even a bill on this up for debate at the moment. this is the current boogieman, but as far as I"m aware, it's bogged down in negotiations that have little chance of agreement.
     
  24. anon_user

    anon_user Solidarity

    Apart from everything else that's absurd about this proposal...
    Do you hate independent film? With point 2, you're making it much harder to attract investment into risky creative projects, since there's less assets available to be sold off to help pay back creditors.
    For that matter, do you hate anything not produced by major media corporations? Point 1 would allow major media corporations to swamp small-scale publishers by writing, mass-marketing, and mass-distributing works set in the small publishers' settings, using the same characters, etc. Point 3, meanwhile, means that unless you get a major publisher to publish your book, you're screwed. Say your book doesn't sell too well at first, and ends its initial printing run. Under this system, a major media company can drum up interest in your book (say, by creating a movie adaptation), starting a year and a day after the first printing ends, and you, the person who originally created the story, are completely screwed, since they can undercut your initial publisher - and don't even have to negotiate with you.
    Oh wait, it gets even better. Publisher prints your work, ends the run. They say, 'sorry, this just didn't sell well.' One year and a day later, all protections disappear, and the publisher can just print your book without you getting a single penny.
    Well done. Apparently, you just plain hate creators.

    Incidentally, fanfiction and other fanworks have existed long before the Internet, and would exist long after this act, if it were both to pass and to have the effects (on the internet) you claim it would.
     
  25. So, in short, there is no "SOPA 2014"? Well, that'd certainly explain the lack of signatures.
     
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