The Last Angel: Ascension

The guards "are" apparantly equipped with sidearms (ke Ovik was reaching for it during his and Allyria's conversation) so they should have a sporting chance.

I can see Zirrcé getting what is coming to him but I feel ke Ovik needs a chance of redemption somehow...especially since this wasn't what he had bargained for.
 

Proximal Flame

In Midnight Clad
Please beat the living daylights out of them, Allyria. I need more vindictive pleasure.
I see a corridor and I want to paint it red...
I hope the Grasp has good insurance on its officers, I don't see the confrontation being as easy as they think it will be.
Tricky. She's likely outnumbered and outgunned unless she's hiding a lot more hardware in her clothes and under her skin.
She'll be taken, I'm sure of it. Sure she'll likely make it costly for them, but it'll still happen. Then we get a mood downswing as she's locked up somewhere unpleasant with some implied nastiness or even actual nastiness if Flame is feeling up to some Edge. All this followed by some Red Hand door busting, the Red Queen proving that you Do Not Fuck with she and hers.

Of course that might not happen, but all I see that way is a Bad End. Which isn't terrible, just keep in mind that killing off too many characters kills the readers reason for reading.
Oh this is going to be fun to read the next chapter. Allyria gets to let it AAAALLLL out...!


Blood runs
Anger rises
Death wakes
War calls


oh my god how STUPID are these guys? they likely know at least SOME of the Red Queen's reputation and history,or at least enough of the more LIKELY rumours to have a pretty good idea of how she responds to this kinda crap, and they STILL think she'll just "brush off" them going after one of her officers!?!?!? she's been fighting a fucking war against the COMPACT most of her LIFE, do they REALLY think she'd stop at....extreme measures to ensure something like this doesn't happen again?
Remember: Vanig believes his ass is covered. He also believes that Tavanis (who, as mentioned, has the outward reputation of being bookish and mild - an administrator rather than a solider) won't start a clan war over one individual who, it could be argued, was reasonably believed to not be part of the Red Hand. So Axex is certain he's gotten all his ducks in a row. Allyria is alone, isolated and vulnerable and Vanig has been mulling his injured pride for months. This is the opportunity he's been waiting for. To hurt the Red Queen by breaking one of her toys and doing it in a way that, even if it does lead back to him, would be... politically difficult to deliver retribution for. His timing is even worse than normal (though he doesn't know it). With Adrianna dealing with the losses in the Veiled Reaches and both Kursk and Sundial building up steam, she can't afford to start up a war with the Blotted Suns. So his position is even more secure than he might otherwise think.

In other words, it's a really bad time for Allyria to get on his radar.

Also, Zirrice and Ransha are two against one, and they're armed and they have backup skulking up the corridor. So a certain level of confidence is not out of line. To see whether it's justified, you'll have to wait until the next chapter. :p

Ah, nothing like a christmas cliffhanger to get you in the holiday spirit!
Doesn't it just?

Fixed; thanks!

Martial Marshall said:
Of course thats assuming they don't have some sort of stunner.
Pretty good assumption. Getting sufficiently safe means to non-lethally incapacitate someone in field conditions is hard enough when working with one species. The Compact is forced to default to beating or grappling the subject into submission, as anything else becomes too species-specific to issue generally.
True; stun/less-lethal weapons do exist, but they tend to be... persnickety, especially if you're expecting them to work on multiple species. As mentioned in Predator, Prey, something that could take down a Tribune, Worker or Brute will almost certainly kill individuals from smaller species. Or vice versa: you have stun rods that can easily incapacitate smaller species like Broken, Didacts or Steersmen but if you have some angry Kobolds in the mix, the effectiveness of your stun batons might as well be set to 'mild itch'. So all less-lethal weapons have to be tailored to a specific species or range of species. Even as we see with less-lethal options today ranging from gases, tranquilizers, projectiles and more there's a gamut of people that they won't effect at all, or will have too much of an effect on. When you throw in nearly two dozen different physiologies and physical capabilities, it gets much more complicated than 'set to stun'.

There are automatic, adaptive stun weapons - i.e. they scan the targeted individual and automatically adjust their dosage/power output to whatever's necessary but they are expensive and technically demanding.

It's a lot easier to simply kill someone than safely/quickly stop them and often the latter option simply isn't available. i.e. a police officer comes across a small band of pirates/hitmen/whatever, say three or four individuals, each of a different species. If they turn hostile, and all he has is a stungun, then he'll have to adjust the settings for each attacker and oops, he's been overwhelmed and beaten to death.

Or Grace goes into full revenge mode and simply orders Tavanis to get her back. Maybe Adrianna left some sort of orders.
Grace wouldn't be able to order Tavanis to do anything. He's an Overseer, she's a (brevet) Leader. At most she could 'emphatically suggest'.

Oh I know Dracos, they should at least be wary enough that when push comes to shove adrianna doesn't give a shit about the political norms of the unbound. If grasp security is smart they'll leave the two chuckle fucks out to dry when Adrianna conducts her purge.
She doesn't, but she is still bound by practicality. That's what she learned early on: not to over-extend and to pick and choose her battles. As much as she might hate the idea, right now is really bad time for her to get into a scrap with another large Unbound clan like the Blotted Suns. While she does have a well-earned reputation for dealing with other clans who've crossed her (and she might very well want to go after Vanig just on general principles), there are other concerns that her advisors would bring to her attention. The Charred Temples were an existential threat to the Red Hand... the Blotted Suns aren't (at least, not right now) and getting into a shooting match with them over one life would be ill-advised, no matter how much she might want to publicly push Vanig's shit in.

So if something bad happens to Allyria, Adrianna might or might not go on the warpath over this...

...Red One, however...

...well. That's another matter, isn't it?

 
The thing is-
Wouldn’t now be the WORST time to delay/defer retaliation, even if it temporally compromises the Hand’s position?

I mean, The logic is sound, but if the minnows start getting ideas about being able to start nibbling away the the Hand’s holdings/personnel, for actual gain, or to satisfy petty grudges,under the assumption they WONT risk responding until they’re in the clear (I.e after the perps have had time to RUN/fade), things could get... ugly....
 
what if Compact or Principality decide to declare war on Naiaids ?( I have been reading the previous chapters)
How would the war go?
I suspect naiaids know much more about the galaxy than either power and could even call for reinforcements from non local packs!
 
what if Compact or Principality decide to declare war on Naiaids ?( I have been reading the previous chapters)
How would the war go?
I suspect naiaids know much more about the galaxy than either power and could even call for reinforcements from non local packs!
I thiiink that’d essentially be what Ankh-morpork’s night watch would once have called “suicide”,
Much like asking for short fries in a Dwarven bar, or asking a hung-over troll if he has rocks in his head...

A relatively un-cordinated mass migration event is, according to the word of the Flame, an EXISTENTIAL THREAT to the compact- as in a physical threat, not something capable of undermining their doctrine, potentially capable of Destroying the compact as a polity completely.

I...shudder to think how much of a threat they’d be if they were treating a conflict a an actual war, not simply a hunting trip...
 

walkir

Aewab Lurker
what if Compact or Principality decide to declare war on Naiaids ?( I have been reading the previous chapters)
How would the war go?
I suspect naiaids know much more about the galaxy than either power and could even call for reinforcements from non local packs!
There are no stars.

Well, perhaps not that, but the deadtone getting uppity would probably trigger quite the void on them.
 
A new angle Proximal Flame , the personel from grace's corvette are still aboard the grasp right? She may not be able to order the overseer but she may have gained enough loyalty amongst surviving crew to pull together a strike team of her own
 
Coming up: cornered animals
Seems to be about Alyria again. Or we finally get back into the action in the Black Veil. Can't remember any situation that would fit there. The Red Hand couldn't be considered a cornered animal either.

Any speculations what Lakhesis is up to? Did Jackson and Jameson manage to shock out system? Were they responsible for the unknown shockpoint?
 
I know that no one wants Alyria to get hurt, especially by a bunch of scum like the ones going after her. But Red One is tied up with her own problems, and so is the Red Queen. Sometimes you can have powerful protectors and still have bad things happen to you. That's just the way things are.
 

Proximal Flame

In Midnight Clad
The thing is-
Wouldn’t now be the WORST time to delay/defer retaliation, even if it temporally compromises the Hand’s position?
There's never a good time to ignore an attack on your people, but not every incident like this leads to a full-scale clan war. The threat of something like it keeps syndicates from up and killing each other all the time, but there are lots of instances where they might or must let something slide - as long as it doesn't embolden rivals.

Think of it like gangs or mafia syndicates today. They hate each other and will kill a member of a rival gang on principle, for being on their turf or other seemingly minor reasons but gang wars themselves are relatively rare as it takes something particularly egregious to really start the bullets flying. This doesn't mean they'll let the murder of one of their own slide, but they can't go to war every time they get slapped in the face. Normally, retribution will be more low-key. In this instance, it's a mid-level underboss that is starting shit. Someone the Blotted Suns can't easily write off and who is high profile enough that they can't let a retributive killing pass - else the rest of the middle management may start causing problems (i.e. 'what are we paying tribute to you for if you won't protect/avenge us?') So the Blotted Suns would have to answer that, just like the Red Hand would have to respond in some way else the same "minnows" may start thinking they can start poking the bear. It's a situation that could spiral out of control very quickly and at a terrible time. The Blotted Suns don't want to get into a clan war, especially not against a faction that they saw dismember one of their peers. The Red Hand doesn't want to get into a clan war and squander its resources. But the traditions and mores of the fringe may demand it.

It would be a very delicate, very chaotic situation that could completely fuck everything up for everybody.

Let's watch.

what if Compact or Principality decide to declare war on Naiaids ?( I have been reading the previous chapters)
How would the war go?
I suspect naiaids know much more about the galaxy than either power and could even call for reinforcements from non local packs!
To quote Ian Malcolm: "[It] would be the worst idea in the long, sad history of bad ideas."

I thiiink that’d essentially be what Ankh-morpork’s night watch would once have called “suicide”,
Much like asking for short fries in a Dwarven bar, or asking a hung-over troll if he has rocks in his head...

A relatively un-cordinated mass migration event is, according to the word of the Flame, an EXISTENTIAL THREAT to the compact- as in a physical threat, not something capable of undermining their doctrine, potentially capable of Destroying the compact as a polity completely.

I...shudder to think how much of a threat they’d be if they were treating a conflict a an actual war, not simply a hunting trip...
There are no stars.

Well, perhaps not that, but the deadtone getting uppity would probably trigger quite the void on them.
Let me put it this way: Red will go Chariot-hunting as a matter of course, but even she doesn't want to go up against a Naiad monarch.

As it stands, the Compact is in the ballpark of Naiad capabilities (but it's a very big park). The Naiads are scattered across the galaxy in small hunting packs, or larger assemblages a few hundred strong. They currently have no inclination or overriding interest to band together. If they were to notice that some of the 'insects' were about to/had become a threat to them as a species, that would be very bad. For everyone. As we've seen, the Naiads don't discriminate. Deadtone are deadtone. Prey and toys. You really don't want them to be thinking of insects as competitors, enemies or - even worse - potential predators.

If the Compact decided to try and invade Naiad territories and attack them directly, they'd probably have a string of successes, bought at great cost. Then, word would spread amongst the Naiad packs about a dangerous nest of insects. One that needs to be destroyed.

And if one hive can become dangerous, then what about all the other squeaking, deadtone insects sprinkled across the galaxy...?

Any speculations what Lakhesis is up to? Did Jackson and Jameson manage to shock out system? Were they responsible for the unknown shockpoint?
Lahkesis is probably headed back home, wearing a metaphorical hangdog expression.

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I know that no one wants Alyria to get hurt, especially by a bunch of scum like the ones going after her.


But Red One is tied up with her own problems, and so is the Red Queen. Sometimes you can have powerful protectors and still have bad things happen to you. That's just the way things are.
Very true. Bad things happen. Things like [FRAGMENT DELETED], even...

A new angle Proximal Flame , the personel from grace's corvette are still aboard the grasp right? She may not be able to order the overseer but she may have gained enough loyalty amongst surviving crew to pull together a strike team of her own
It would be unlikely. Grace may have gained enough credit with them in Kelkon to no longer be a wet-nosed war-virgin, but there's a difference between earning the gratitude and respect of the crew and having them be willing to go behind the back of a superior officer, right under his nose. If Tavanis says 'wait', the crew would wait.

Maybe this provides an opportunity for Grace to unexpectedly go apeshit on their asses...
 
GantradiesDracos about the Principality or the Compact (hypothetically) starting a war with the Naiads:
I thiiink that’d essentially be what Ankh-morpork’s night watch would once have called “suicide”,
Much like asking for short fries in a Dwarven bar, or asking a hung-over troll if he has rocks in his head...

A relatively un-cordinated mass migration event is, according to the word of the Flame, an EXISTENTIAL THREAT to the compact- as in a physical threat, not something capable of undermining their doctrine, potentially capable of Destroying the compact as a polity completely.

I...shudder to think how much of a threat they’d be if they were treating a conflict a an actual war, not simply a hunting trip...
It seems unlikely to me that the Principality would find the resources anytime soon, they are busy enough defending themselves against the Compact.

But is the Compact aware of the threat? A maximally apocalyptic scenario:
The Compact get the idea to start a new expansion phase. Which just happens to enter Naiad territory. After some skirmishes, the Compact finds out that the Naiads are some sort of mechanical intelligence, similar enough to prior AI horrors to trigger the Compact's "kill it" reflexes. Extermination fleets are launched, and soon a total war is on...
 

walkir

Aewab Lurker
But is the Compact aware of the threat?
They consider "Naiads" spacer yarn that evolved into a convenient cover story for illicit ships and transmissions, but IIRC the inner circles are aware of (more of) the facts.
May even be the reason they introduced this here:

“Yes, patron. They are almost two years out of date, but they are confirmed. It is indicating a Tier Five situation.”

Culm scratched the underside of his chin. The Space Force was duty and honour-bound to respond to all distress signals. Priority One transmissions were sent only in the gravest of circumstances and... ice trailed down his spine to settle in his liver... and a Tier Five alert was beyond ‘grave’. Such a signal would normally only be sent from a vessel that had encountered a threat to the very Compact – potentially the entire galaxy – itself.
 
I think the Naiads would consider a "declaration of war" by the Compact to be pretty amusing. That'd be like bears declaring war against the US military. They may look scary, but in the end, they are just a regional champion against the galaxy's finest predators.
 
The more I think of it, the more it appears to me all the spacefaring species are like various kinds of ants, and Naiads packs are like an uncaring child with magnifying glasses, and they don’t care about the odd ant bite while they play their cruel games. They occasionally kick over ant hills, just for fun even. But if one of these children gets eaten by a particularly voracious kind of ant, then the other children and adults come over and deal with that infestation. They won’t care which kind of ant hill or species did the damage, they’ll just get rid of ’em all.
 

jleedenn

#9 guru
I think the Naiads would consider a "declaration of war" by the Compact to be pretty amusing. That'd be like bears declaring war against the US military. They may look scary, but in the end, they are just a regional champion against the galaxy's finest predators.
how would the Naiads even know War had been declared? Dead Tones implies No speech/talk/words/communication
 

StacheMan

Probably human. Maybe.
I don't remember how well that was, was it actually properly faked or just repeating something picked up somewhere without understanding beyond "signal A leads to reaction B"?
A bit of both. Many Naiads don't interact with any particular variety of deadtone enough to do much more than parrot back distress signals and such. Others, who have hunted them more, can speak deadtone better than some deadtone and are easily capable of imitating the mannerisms of individual insects in order to draw more prey in.
 
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