What if Ireland was conquered by the Romans.

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Darkandus, May 23, 2012.

  1. Darkandus

    Darkandus Pretentious Jerkass

    But left to fend mostly for itself due to it's distance from Rome, surviving the collapse of the Western Roman Empire relatively intact but with a more consolidated form of leadership?

    Would they have still inevitably been conquered by the English? Would they have advanced further, maintaining it's position as a beacon of culture as the isle of Saints and Scholars to the current day?

    How would this have effected the general timeline of Europe?
  2. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Queensguard of House Targaryen

    By the final years the Western Empire was a pitiful joke of its former glory, they'd left Britain to its fate and it had succumbed to Saxon conquest, odds are it would've happened to Ireland as well, the Scots may have remained so what we call Ireland would be the alt. timeline's Scotland
  3. TheSandman

    TheSandman From NERV's Heart I Stab At Thee

    If the Romans are taking Ireland, that implies they had the resources to take Scotland first (since the hostile inhabitants of Scotland were actually a direct threat to Roman colonists and Roman-allied tribes in what's now northern England). It also implies the Empire had already gained control of any more lucrative targets, which would have been pretty much anywhere else along the borders of the Empire that wasn't empty desert.

    You're going to have to figure out how to get those conditions before you can make any realistic appraisal of what would be changed by a Roman Ireland, and having a situation where the Romans can conquer and hold Ireland is going to matter a whole lot more to the course of this ATL than what happened in a place that as far as Roman and medieval Europe was concerned would have been on the ass end of nowhere of the ass end of nowhere.
  4. Tsjoat

    Tsjoat So, you too huh?

    Well, There would have been a whole lot more fighting, that's for sure.

    So long as they can fend off Britain, then it has a chance.
  5. Rastamon

    Rastamon Valar Morghulis

    Well, the Roman Governor-General Gnaeus Julius Agricola claimed that one legion and some auxiliaries (6,000 men altogether) could conquer Hibernia (Ireland). I would say that he was bragging, but it's possible for the Romans to conquer Ireland.

    The Romans would work hard at exterminating the druids in Ireland, found colonies and cities. In the beginning, the initial conquests in eastern Hibernia may be governed from Deva (Chester). The provincial capital may be in the area of Dublin, likely at Drumanagh, if the Romans didn't decide to make Tara be the capital, thus exploiting the Irish traditions and holiness attached to it. The island may be used as a base from which the Romans could strike at Caledonia (Scotland) in addition to the forts at the northern border of Britannia. Since the Picts hated the Romans, they may raid Hibernia much more than OTL and the Empire may be required to keep a strong naval presence at Hibernia. The Orcadians of the Orkney Islands gave a formal submission to Julius Caesar, so the Hibernian Romans may want to use Ireland as a base to conquer the Orkneys or at least establish a military presence or a tributary relationship.

    Hibernia would be a backwater province and it may be expensive, even draining, for the Empire to keep the island. This may mean that the Empire will abandon Hibernia earlier than Britannia. When Carausius revolted and founded the short-lived breakaway Britannic Empire, he may want to use his fleets to conquer the province of Hibernia.

    If Hibernia had been conquered and Romanized, then abandoned, the Irish people may unite themselves into a single kingdom much earlier than OTL as long as they're able to fight off the Pict invasions. Butterflies may make this theory wild but a united Ireland with some Roman traditions may be able to fight off the English invasions or at least be treated by England as an equal.

    Also, the Celtic Church may be butterflied out of history so that Ireland is part of the Catholic Church much earlier or right from the beginning of its conversion.